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<p>[QUOTE="bernard55, post: 25252870, member: 114733"]This coin is leading me on a journey. I'm wondering why more isn't written on it as it's fascinating...</p><p><br /></p><p>If you compare the obverse box in the upper left (ET on coin below) and reverse box on the upper left (ALS on coin below) and where the date is located or how the date differs from 1621 to 16Z1, you can begin to see all the varieties, and I only did a simple search--I'm sure there are more. I think this was minted at the beginning of the Thirty Years' War (1618–1648) but not positive. I can understand the differences given that the Holy Roman Empire comprised numerous semi-autonomous regions, each with its own local governance and symbols.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1610743[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><b>I believe these are all Hall mint & referenced as Davenport 3330:</b></p><ul> <li><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=10357754" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=10357754" rel="nofollow">16Z1 – ETRELIQ – TIRO </a></li> <li><a href="https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6805087&AucID=7921&Lot=1321&Val=a39f334db1d43fcf423d7561f00217b0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6805087&AucID=7921&Lot=1321&Val=a39f334db1d43fcf423d7561f00217b0" rel="nofollow">16Z1 – ETRELQ – TIROL: </a></li> <li><a href="https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6667339&AucID=7733&Lot=263&Val=f65b0c3643ae3f1d3ffc84881316cb28" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6667339&AucID=7733&Lot=263&Val=f65b0c3643ae3f1d3ffc84881316cb28" rel="nofollow">16Z1 – ETRELIQ: - TIROL: </a></li> <li><a href="http://16Z1 – ETRELiQ – TYROLI:" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://16Z1 – ETRELiQ – TYROLI:" rel="nofollow">16Z1 – ETRELIQ: - TIROL: </a></li> <li><a href="https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6809205&AucID=7929&Lot=74155&Val=29e21a44089d02d829f9f9ee4b66417f" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6809205&AucID=7929&Lot=74155&Val=29e21a44089d02d829f9f9ee4b66417f" rel="nofollow">16Z1 – ETRELIq – TIROLIS</a> (KM 264.5)</li> <li><a href="https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6664019&AucID=7728&Lot=1062&Val=8444bd0c1313dacec8fa5402c56b9ca7" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6664019&AucID=7728&Lot=1062&Val=8444bd0c1313dacec8fa5402c56b9ca7" rel="nofollow">16Z1 - ETRELIQ – TIROLIS </a> (Hahn 38; M-T 422) <<- mine, but I also have a strange I that looks like a F/P</li> </ul><p><b>and I think these are different mints (Ensisheim & Upper Alsace):</b></p><ul> <li><a href="https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6824090&AucID=7942&Lot=116&Val=5c848cd8491e0526e951ba371948cd27" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6824090&AucID=7942&Lot=116&Val=5c848cd8491e0526e951ba371948cd27" rel="nofollow">1621 – AVSTRIAE – TIROL</a> (Davenport 3328 and KM 257)</li> <li><a href="https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6832414&AucID=7952&Lot=4507&Val=fc6250d2e98fc11076d48ef8aaff678a" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6832414&AucID=7952&Lot=4507&Val=fc6250d2e98fc11076d48ef8aaff678a" rel="nofollow">1621 – ET – LANDALS</a> (Davenport 3346)</li> <li><a href="https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6816438&AucID=7936&Lot=50&Val=7c9a58c624e6dece571dffeb1d67928c" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6816438&AucID=7936&Lot=50&Val=7c9a58c624e6dece571dffeb1d67928c" rel="nofollow">16Z1 – ET- ALS</a> </li> <li><a href="https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6735807&AucID=7811&Lot=67&Val=2943263ece88b5e2012c387b27db3a45" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6735807&AucID=7811&Lot=67&Val=2943263ece88b5e2012c387b27db3a45" rel="nofollow">1621 – ET – ALS</a> and <a href="https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6816438&AucID=7936&Lot=50&Val=7c9a58c624e6dece571dffeb1d67928c" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6816438&AucID=7936&Lot=50&Val=7c9a58c624e6dece571dffeb1d67928c" rel="nofollow">another</a> (Klemesh 114, KM 257, and Davenport 3346)</li> <li><a href="https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6735812&AucID=7811&Lot=72&Val=e4fbde47cc5fecb9c6a468d256468da0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6735812&AucID=7811&Lot=72&Val=e4fbde47cc5fecb9c6a468d256468da0" rel="nofollow">1621 (side) – ET – ALS</a> (Davenport 3345)</li> </ul><p>I've not found much on how many were minted/exist (other than PCGS saying they graded 17 of <a href="https://www.pcgs.com/valueview/austria/1621-thaler-d-3330-hall/976?sn=141946&h=pop" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.pcgs.com/valueview/austria/1621-thaler-d-3330-hall/976?sn=141946&h=pop" rel="nofollow">3330</a> and coinarchives saying 33 went to auction). I don't think they are as common as the Maria Teresa Thaler from 1780 or minted over as many years but they seem quite common yet collectible.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="bernard55, post: 25252870, member: 114733"]This coin is leading me on a journey. I'm wondering why more isn't written on it as it's fascinating... If you compare the obverse box in the upper left (ET on coin below) and reverse box on the upper left (ALS on coin below) and where the date is located or how the date differs from 1621 to 16Z1, you can begin to see all the varieties, and I only did a simple search--I'm sure there are more. I think this was minted at the beginning of the Thirty Years' War (1618–1648) but not positive. I can understand the differences given that the Holy Roman Empire comprised numerous semi-autonomous regions, each with its own local governance and symbols. [ATTACH=full]1610743[/ATTACH] [B]I believe these are all Hall mint & referenced as Davenport 3330:[/B] [LIST] [*][URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=10357754']16Z1 – ETRELIQ – TIRO [/URL] [*][URL='https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6805087&AucID=7921&Lot=1321&Val=a39f334db1d43fcf423d7561f00217b0']16Z1 – ETRELQ – TIROL: [/URL] [*][URL='https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6667339&AucID=7733&Lot=263&Val=f65b0c3643ae3f1d3ffc84881316cb28']16Z1 – ETRELIQ: - TIROL: [/URL] [*][URL='http://16Z1 – ETRELiQ – TYROLI:']16Z1 – ETRELIQ: - TIROL: [/URL] [*][URL='https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6809205&AucID=7929&Lot=74155&Val=29e21a44089d02d829f9f9ee4b66417f']16Z1 – ETRELIq – TIROLIS[/URL] (KM 264.5) [*][URL='https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6664019&AucID=7728&Lot=1062&Val=8444bd0c1313dacec8fa5402c56b9ca7']16Z1 - ETRELIQ – TIROLIS [/URL] (Hahn 38; M-T 422) <<- mine, but I also have a strange I that looks like a F/P [/LIST] [B]and I think these are different mints (Ensisheim & Upper Alsace):[/B] [LIST] [*][URL='https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6824090&AucID=7942&Lot=116&Val=5c848cd8491e0526e951ba371948cd27']1621 – AVSTRIAE – TIROL[/URL] (Davenport 3328 and KM 257) [*][URL='https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6832414&AucID=7952&Lot=4507&Val=fc6250d2e98fc11076d48ef8aaff678a']1621 – ET – LANDALS[/URL] (Davenport 3346) [*][URL='https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6816438&AucID=7936&Lot=50&Val=7c9a58c624e6dece571dffeb1d67928c']16Z1 – ET- ALS[/URL] [*][URL='https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6735807&AucID=7811&Lot=67&Val=2943263ece88b5e2012c387b27db3a45']1621 – ET – ALS[/URL] and [URL='https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6816438&AucID=7936&Lot=50&Val=7c9a58c624e6dece571dffeb1d67928c']another[/URL] (Klemesh 114, KM 257, and Davenport 3346) [*][URL='https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=6735812&AucID=7811&Lot=72&Val=e4fbde47cc5fecb9c6a468d256468da0']1621 (side) – ET – ALS[/URL] (Davenport 3345) [/LIST] I've not found much on how many were minted/exist (other than PCGS saying they graded 17 of [URL='https://www.pcgs.com/valueview/austria/1621-thaler-d-3330-hall/976?sn=141946&h=pop']3330[/URL] and coinarchives saying 33 went to auction). I don't think they are as common as the Maria Teresa Thaler from 1780 or minted over as many years but they seem quite common yet collectible.[/QUOTE]
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