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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 7863481, member: 24314"]baseball21, posted: "I was making a statement. Anyone that decided to call people flat earners or imply they were for not agreeing with their way is on them and moving the goal posts is just well……"</p><p><br /></p><p>I was also just making a statement. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>There are two basic choices when examining a coin, both are "called" <span style="color: #b30000">grading.</span></b> You can simply <span style="color: #b30000">describe what you see</span> - a very simple act that does not change (NO SUBJECTIVITY = Precision). Or you can attempt to <span style="color: #b30000">evaluate it</span>. Its market value is paramount in this type of examination and all sorts of subjectivity is introduced causing a wide range of opinion:</p><p><br /></p><p>You like its color; you don't like its color.</p><p>I looks different under magnification rather than the naked eye.</p><p>Does it have stacking wear, cabinet friction, circulation wear, etc.</p><p>Should it be net graded to reflect its value?</p><p>Should I be conservative or liberal with the exam? </p><p><br /></p><p>When I taught my first coin grading seminar, I had to come up with a definition of grading. This is it:</p><p><br /></p><p><b><font size="6">Grading is a subjective observation made to asses the condition of preservation and relative ranking of similar objects.</font></b> </p><p><br /></p><p>Do you see what's missing? Until you boil down the act of grading into its simplest definition and understand it, we can <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie103" alt=":yack:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie103" alt=":yack:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie103" alt=":yack:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> forever. Once a student understands this, we can discuss how it has evolved into what we must do today in order to be a competent coin grader. I believe many of you can grade with the best of them However, I do not believe any of you have ever studied most of the grading proposals from before the turn of the Century to the 60's (so you could formulate a simple, precise way to rank and identify coins) or can discuss in detail how grading evolved from the first two TPGS to now. </p><p><br /></p><p>So, for me this entire discussion comes down to this:</p><p><br /></p><p>We each have our personal experience, methods, tools/books to form our personal opinion of a coins "grade." Nevertheless, you had better know how the TPGS "grade" <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie26" alt=":bookworm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> at<span style="color: #b30000"> this moment in time <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie12" alt="o_O" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span> <span style="color: #b30000">and for each type/age of coin</span> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie5" alt=":confused:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> as it has changed before <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> and will change in the future.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> That is the nature of "market" grading. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>So, you can join the ranks of connoisseur collectors who don't want one little fiber disturbed, one scuff, one discoloration , etc. on their item or ignore "Cabinet Friction" on your Mint State coins because TRUE MINT STATE COINS ARE VERY RARE in many vintage coin series. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 7863481, member: 24314"]baseball21, posted: "I was making a statement. Anyone that decided to call people flat earners or imply they were for not agreeing with their way is on them and moving the goal posts is just well……" I was also just making a statement. :D [B]There are two basic choices when examining a coin, both are "called" [COLOR=#b30000]grading.[/COLOR][/B] You can simply [COLOR=#b30000]describe what you see[/COLOR] - a very simple act that does not change (NO SUBJECTIVITY = Precision). Or you can attempt to [COLOR=#b30000]evaluate it[/COLOR]. Its market value is paramount in this type of examination and all sorts of subjectivity is introduced causing a wide range of opinion: You like its color; you don't like its color. I looks different under magnification rather than the naked eye. Does it have stacking wear, cabinet friction, circulation wear, etc. Should it be net graded to reflect its value? Should I be conservative or liberal with the exam? When I taught my first coin grading seminar, I had to come up with a definition of grading. This is it: [B][SIZE=6]Grading is a subjective observation made to asses the condition of preservation and relative ranking of similar objects.[/SIZE][/B] Do you see what's missing? Until you boil down the act of grading into its simplest definition and understand it, we can :yack::yack::yack: forever. Once a student understands this, we can discuss how it has evolved into what we must do today in order to be a competent coin grader. I believe many of you can grade with the best of them However, I do not believe any of you have ever studied most of the grading proposals from before the turn of the Century to the 60's (so you could formulate a simple, precise way to rank and identify coins) or can discuss in detail how grading evolved from the first two TPGS to now. So, for me this entire discussion comes down to this: We each have our personal experience, methods, tools/books to form our personal opinion of a coins "grade." Nevertheless, you had better know how the TPGS "grade" :bookworm: at[COLOR=#b30000] this moment in time o_O[/COLOR] [COLOR=#b30000]and for each type/age of coin[/COLOR] :confused: as it has changed before :jawdrop: and will change in the future.:( That is the nature of "market" grading. :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious: So, you can join the ranks of connoisseur collectors who don't want one little fiber disturbed, one scuff, one discoloration , etc. on their item or ignore "Cabinet Friction" on your Mint State coins because TRUE MINT STATE COINS ARE VERY RARE in many vintage coin series. ;)[/QUOTE]
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