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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 7859037, member: 24314"]An ideal <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie14" alt=":angelic:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> grading system must be <span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">SIMPLE and PRECISE</span>. Anyone can learn it and it is unchanging over time. Unfortunately, <b>WE DO NOT HAVE such a system</b> but decades ago we came very close. </p><p><br /></p><p>If you wish to place a value on a MS coin (very complicated and fluctuates for too many reasons INCLUDING WHO OWNS/GRADES IT <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie7" alt=":p" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />), there are many variables. The amount of original surface missing due to friction wear, stacking compression, or strike weakness is just one of many characteristics that factor into the opinion of the moment. A famous TPGS professional is reported to have said something like "If a coin is worth grading once it is worth grading several times." <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie85" alt=":smuggrin:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie47" alt=":greedy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie47" alt=":greedy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie47" alt=":greedy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>If you wish to identify a coin <b>forever</b> regardless of market conditions or desirability for as long as it stays in the same condition every time you see it (<span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">PRECISION</span>) , YOU MUST REMOVE (<span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">SIMPLE</span>) as many "market variables" as possible. That system no longer exists. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Jaelus, posted: "<b><i><font size="6"><span style="color: #b30000">No, that system has never existed."</span></font></i></b></p><p><b><i><br /></i></b></p><p><span style="color: #660033"><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie25" alt=":blackeye:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Oh but it did. In addition to using the word "technical" incorrectly <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> (as it was FIRST applied to grading coins in the 1970's), you are uninformed. What I just described above was the <span style="color: #b30000">"TRUE" <b>technical grading system</b></span> that was used for internal records at the ANA's Authentication Service in Washington, DC and then at the first TPGS - INSAB. It was simple and precise leaving muc<span style="color: #660033">h less room to disagree with a grade.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #660033"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: #660033">How do I know and why am I making a big deal of the misuse/corruption of that word and that grading system? It's because I take FULL CREDIT <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie26" alt=":bookworm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie33" alt=":cigar:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> for being allowed to devise and name that system we used to grade and ID coins based on Sheldon's description for each grade. Notice, that there is no mention of value connected with Technical Grading BECAUSE we did not place a value on coins. We were not professional coin dealers! We just described their condition of preservation. The value of a coin SHOULD NOT change it's obvious condition of preservation as <b>has been done</b> for decades leading to gradeflation, variability, and changing grades for the same coin over a period of months or sooner.</span> </span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #660033"><b>PS If you do a little reading, you'll learn that coins were originally graded to describe them to other folks who could not see them. </b>Sheldon came along and used their condition (grade) as a guide to price them. </span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 7859037, member: 24314"]An ideal :angelic: grading system must be [COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]SIMPLE and PRECISE[/COLOR]. Anyone can learn it and it is unchanging over time. Unfortunately, [B]WE DO NOT HAVE such a system[/B] but decades ago we came very close. If you wish to place a value on a MS coin (very complicated and fluctuates for too many reasons INCLUDING WHO OWNS/GRADES IT :jawdrop::p), there are many variables. The amount of original surface missing due to friction wear, stacking compression, or strike weakness is just one of many characteristics that factor into the opinion of the moment. A famous TPGS professional is reported to have said something like "If a coin is worth grading once it is worth grading several times." :facepalm::smuggrin: :greedy::greedy::greedy: If you wish to identify a coin [B]forever[/B] regardless of market conditions or desirability for as long as it stays in the same condition every time you see it ([COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]PRECISION[/COLOR]) , YOU MUST REMOVE ([COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]SIMPLE[/COLOR]) as many "market variables" as possible. That system no longer exists. Jaelus, posted: "[B][I][SIZE=6][COLOR=#b30000]No, that system has never existed."[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=#b30000][/COLOR][/I][/B] [COLOR=#660033]:facepalm::blackeye::rolleyes::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious: Oh but it did. In addition to using the word "technical" incorrectly :( (as it was FIRST applied to grading coins in the 1970's), you are uninformed. What I just described above was the [COLOR=#b30000]"TRUE" [B]technical grading system[/B][/COLOR] that was used for internal records at the ANA's Authentication Service in Washington, DC and then at the first TPGS - INSAB. It was simple and precise leaving muc[COLOR=#660033]h less room to disagree with a grade.[/COLOR] [/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][COLOR=#660033]How do I know and why am I making a big deal of the misuse/corruption of that word and that grading system? It's because I take FULL CREDIT :bookworm::cigar: for being allowed to devise and name that system we used to grade and ID coins based on Sheldon's description for each grade. Notice, that there is no mention of value connected with Technical Grading BECAUSE we did not place a value on coins. We were not professional coin dealers! We just described their condition of preservation. The value of a coin SHOULD NOT change it's obvious condition of preservation as [B]has been done[/B] for decades leading to gradeflation, variability, and changing grades for the same coin over a period of months or sooner.[/COLOR] [/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#660033][B]PS If you do a little reading, you'll learn that coins were originally graded to describe them to other folks who could not see them. [/B]Sheldon came along and used their condition (grade) as a guide to price them. [/COLOR][/QUOTE]
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