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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 7856061, member: 24314"]Pickin and Grinin, posted: "[USER=24314]@Insider[/USER][/USER] It seems technical grading has come up often this past week. I even put up a GTG using technical grading in the title. I had thought originally that conservative was the best word, but it really isn't in my opinion. Conservatively IMO would be defined as maybe being to harsh on a coin. IE downgrading a coin due to either to much wear or not enough luster, weak strike, too many contact marks etc.</p><p>Technical standards are what most of us were taught. One big technical standard is the presence of wear no matter how the coin was handled/stored, It doesn't get upgraded because it sat in a cabinet, It also doesn't get MS just because it is evident that it was stacked.</p><p>Conservatively= harsh/tough on the coin.</p><p>Technical= grade based only on its merit's.</p><p>Market= overlooking one aspect and rewarding it for another.</p><p>Also Market grading is tricky, one day the market says X characteristic is appealing and another day Y is appealing."</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)">Unlike the OP, at least you made an attempt to describe technical grading; however, <b><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 51)">a strict line between AU and MS is NOT what defines "true technical grading</span>" </b>as it was formulated in the beginning. You see, that strict line (no trace of wear for MS coins) existed before the "author" of that grading system <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie84" alt=":smug:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> was born. You were taught the "bastardized" version from folks who did not have a clue when they adopted that descriptive word "technical." I have sent an article based on a CT discussion off to be published in <i>Numismatic News</i>. After publication, I'll comment further. </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)">Until then, the amount of wear on a coin is only one of its surface characteristics.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)">Before the ANA "screwed the grading pooch" by combining the amount of surface marks and wear for grades from AU down; the amount of detail that remained on a coin was what determined its grade - once there was a trace of friction wear. If the coin had no trace of wear it was MS. Most of the difference between a technical grade and commercial grade took place in the 60 to 70 range. Until coin dealers started a TPGS, the majority of coins grading MS by ANA or INS WERE JUST THAT.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)">The commercial market demanded a change and that's why this discussion exists. <b><font size="6"><span style="color: rgb(0, 179, 89)">A coin is either FULL MINT STATE or it is not.</span></font></b> It does not matter what your personal standard is or what is market acceptable. The only thing that matters is that you <b><i>learn to grade like the rest of them </i></b>by the study of TPGS coins, and classes. </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)">That's another reason IMO this poll will be fun. Aside from a continuing misuse of the word "technical" for conservative, what we want the TPGS to do will not change anything. They got us and the interpretation of grading standards starting in 1986</span>! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 7856061, member: 24314"]Pickin and Grinin, posted: "[USER=24314]@Insider[/USER][/USER] It seems technical grading has come up often this past week. I even put up a GTG using technical grading in the title. I had thought originally that conservative was the best word, but it really isn't in my opinion. Conservatively IMO would be defined as maybe being to harsh on a coin. IE downgrading a coin due to either to much wear or not enough luster, weak strike, too many contact marks etc. Technical standards are what most of us were taught. One big technical standard is the presence of wear no matter how the coin was handled/stored, It doesn't get upgraded because it sat in a cabinet, It also doesn't get MS just because it is evident that it was stacked. Conservatively= harsh/tough on the coin. Technical= grade based only on its merit's. Market= overlooking one aspect and rewarding it for another. Also Market grading is tricky, one day the market says X characteristic is appealing and another day Y is appealing." [COLOR=rgb(102, 0, 51)]Unlike the OP, at least you made an attempt to describe technical grading; however, [B][COLOR=rgb(0, 102, 51)]a strict line between AU and MS is NOT what defines "true technical grading[/COLOR]" [/B]as it was formulated in the beginning. You see, that strict line (no trace of wear for MS coins) existed before the "author" of that grading system :smug: was born. You were taught the "bastardized" version from folks who did not have a clue when they adopted that descriptive word "technical." I have sent an article based on a CT discussion off to be published in [I]Numismatic News[/I]. After publication, I'll comment further. [/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(102, 0, 51)] Until then, the amount of wear on a coin is only one of its surface characteristics. Before the ANA "screwed the grading pooch" by combining the amount of surface marks and wear for grades from AU down; the amount of detail that remained on a coin was what determined its grade - once there was a trace of friction wear. If the coin had no trace of wear it was MS. Most of the difference between a technical grade and commercial grade took place in the 60 to 70 range. Until coin dealers started a TPGS, the majority of coins grading MS by ANA or INS WERE JUST THAT. The commercial market demanded a change and that's why this discussion exists. [B][SIZE=6][COLOR=rgb(0, 179, 89)]A coin is either FULL MINT STATE or it is not.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B] It does not matter what your personal standard is or what is market acceptable. The only thing that matters is that you [B][I]learn to grade like the rest of them [/I][/B]by the study of TPGS coins, and classes. [/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(102, 0, 51)] That's another reason IMO this poll will be fun. Aside from a continuing misuse of the word "technical" for conservative, what we want the TPGS to do will not change anything. They got us and the interpretation of grading standards starting in 1986[/COLOR]! :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:[/QUOTE]
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