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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 4027502, member: 112"]The thing is nobody outside the TPG offices even knows what those standards are. NGC for example has never, ever, published written grading standards. PCGS has published theirs twice, the last time in 2004. But that versions was different than their first version which was published in 1997. And no other TPG has ever published written grading standards.</p><p><br /></p><p>In contrast to this, the ANA has published their grading standards several times, the most recent edition in 2013. And if you look in the actual books and compare them, the grading standards listed are the same they were in the 1987 edition. Standards which were written and adopted in 1986. And no, it's not a coincidence that PCGS and NGC first came into existence in 1986 and 1987 respectively.</p><p><br /></p><p>That said, the TPGs most definitely do not follow these ANA standards. For that matter, PCGS doesn't even follow their own published standards from 2004 ! Coins are much more leniently graded than what their own book says they should be !</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Publicly, the TPGs deny ever having changed their grading standards. However, the 2 books both published by PCGS only 7 years apart - prove otherwise. Their current grading of coins being grossly different from their own standards last published in 2004 - prove otherwise. Comparison of coins graded prior to 2004 to those graded 2004 and later - prove otherwise.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for someone talking, they have, many times. But they are conveniently ignored by most. One of our own forum members actually wrote the first technical grading standards used by the 1st TPG, ANACS, back in its earliest days. Granted that was long before 1986 when everything changed and even the ANA adopted the new market grading standards, (the ANA invented market grading, not the TPGs) and PCGS and NGC came into existence. But since that time he has worked for ANACS, NGC, and ICG, and written countless articles similar to this one from 2009 where he readily acknowledges changes in TPG grading standards -</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.numismaticnews.net/article/market_demands_change_grade_standards" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.numismaticnews.net/article/market_demands_change_grade_standards" rel="nofollow">https://www.numismaticnews.net/article/market_demands_change_grade_standards</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Now that is merely one article, but there have been countless others. Many also written by Mike, but more than one can count written by other great names in our hobby. All one has to do is read them. And they began to be written in 2004. None of this is anything new - but it is conveniently ignored by way too many !</p><p><br /></p><p>And for those who actually know coins, they don't need anyone to "talk", all they have to do is look at the coins ! The coins themselves and the grades on the labels are all the evidence that anyone would ever need ! But that too is conveniently ignored.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 4027502, member: 112"]The thing is nobody outside the TPG offices even knows what those standards are. NGC for example has never, ever, published written grading standards. PCGS has published theirs twice, the last time in 2004. But that versions was different than their first version which was published in 1997. And no other TPG has ever published written grading standards. In contrast to this, the ANA has published their grading standards several times, the most recent edition in 2013. And if you look in the actual books and compare them, the grading standards listed are the same they were in the 1987 edition. Standards which were written and adopted in 1986. And no, it's not a coincidence that PCGS and NGC first came into existence in 1986 and 1987 respectively. That said, the TPGs most definitely do not follow these ANA standards. For that matter, PCGS doesn't even follow their own published standards from 2004 ! Coins are much more leniently graded than what their own book says they should be ! Publicly, the TPGs deny ever having changed their grading standards. However, the 2 books both published by PCGS only 7 years apart - prove otherwise. Their current grading of coins being grossly different from their own standards last published in 2004 - prove otherwise. Comparison of coins graded prior to 2004 to those graded 2004 and later - prove otherwise. As for someone talking, they have, many times. But they are conveniently ignored by most. One of our own forum members actually wrote the first technical grading standards used by the 1st TPG, ANACS, back in its earliest days. Granted that was long before 1986 when everything changed and even the ANA adopted the new market grading standards, (the ANA invented market grading, not the TPGs) and PCGS and NGC came into existence. But since that time he has worked for ANACS, NGC, and ICG, and written countless articles similar to this one from 2009 where he readily acknowledges changes in TPG grading standards - [URL]https://www.numismaticnews.net/article/market_demands_change_grade_standards[/URL] Now that is merely one article, but there have been countless others. Many also written by Mike, but more than one can count written by other great names in our hobby. All one has to do is read them. And they began to be written in 2004. None of this is anything new - but it is conveniently ignored by way too many ! And for those who actually know coins, they don't need anyone to "talk", all they have to do is look at the coins ! The coins themselves and the grades on the labels are all the evidence that anyone would ever need ! But that too is conveniently ignored.[/QUOTE]
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