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<p>[QUOTE="Terence Cheesman, post: 8215480, member: 86498"]I think there are a number of issues being addressed in this thread. The first is ... What constitutes a provenance (pedigree) and 2. What makes it a good one. A pedigree is of course any history associated with the coin. With an ancient coin that would start sometime in the modern era. However what makes a pedigree good? Here we have a rather common not very remarkable coin.</p><p>Bil Aurelianus of Severina Antioch Mint 275 AD. Obv, Bust right diademed and draped on crescent Rv. Concordia standing left Holding a military standard in each hand. RIC 20 3.37 grams 24 mm Photo by W. Hansen[ATTACH=full]1441956[/ATTACH] It is now part of my collection. I bought it at the NYINC on Saturday January 16 2022. So far there is nothing special about this coin. It is nicely silvered and in high grade but it really does not have a great style. I was unable to find any recent auction activity featuring this coin. Would my collection ticket plus the 2022 accession date make it a "good" pedigree that might add some "value" to the coin? Most likely not. Most likely if this was all the information that existed on this coin some would be quick to call it a "looted" coin from a recent illegal dig. In fact just my word would be of almost no value About the only thing that might assist is a bill of sale. However as with some many unremarkable things there is more. [ATTACH=full]1441959[/ATTACH]It would appear that this coin was plated in the MIR 47 Die Munzpragung des Kaisers Aurelianus Printed in 1993 I did know of this potential pedigree when I purchased the coin. This probably would help somewhat. It does predate the MOU with Italy by 8 years. However this coin shows up again[ATTACH=full]1441967[/ATTACH] Here we see it again Numismatic Chronicle 1984 The Eastern Issues of Probus by Weber and King Plate 35 No 5 (I have placed my coin beside it) I did not know about this pedigree. Now if that was not good enough. Here it is again[ATTACH=full]1441972[/ATTACH]Revue Numismatique Tome 7 1965 Les emissions orientales de la fin du IIIe s. apres J. C. By Bernot and Pflaum Pl VIII 2 B. Again like the pedigree above I did not know of this one either. I guess that makes this coin a keeper. I am still working on a 1964 M &M reference (probably lost) What I am trying to say using this rather involved and convoluted method is that the value of the pedigree is dependent upon the volume and quality of the information provided. This coin despite being otherwise unremarkable had a great pedigree stretching back to 1965[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Terence Cheesman, post: 8215480, member: 86498"]I think there are a number of issues being addressed in this thread. The first is ... What constitutes a provenance (pedigree) and 2. What makes it a good one. A pedigree is of course any history associated with the coin. With an ancient coin that would start sometime in the modern era. However what makes a pedigree good? Here we have a rather common not very remarkable coin. Bil Aurelianus of Severina Antioch Mint 275 AD. Obv, Bust right diademed and draped on crescent Rv. Concordia standing left Holding a military standard in each hand. RIC 20 3.37 grams 24 mm Photo by W. Hansen[ATTACH=full]1441956[/ATTACH] It is now part of my collection. I bought it at the NYINC on Saturday January 16 2022. So far there is nothing special about this coin. It is nicely silvered and in high grade but it really does not have a great style. I was unable to find any recent auction activity featuring this coin. Would my collection ticket plus the 2022 accession date make it a "good" pedigree that might add some "value" to the coin? Most likely not. Most likely if this was all the information that existed on this coin some would be quick to call it a "looted" coin from a recent illegal dig. In fact just my word would be of almost no value About the only thing that might assist is a bill of sale. However as with some many unremarkable things there is more. [ATTACH=full]1441959[/ATTACH]It would appear that this coin was plated in the MIR 47 Die Munzpragung des Kaisers Aurelianus Printed in 1993 I did know of this potential pedigree when I purchased the coin. This probably would help somewhat. It does predate the MOU with Italy by 8 years. However this coin shows up again[ATTACH=full]1441967[/ATTACH] Here we see it again Numismatic Chronicle 1984 The Eastern Issues of Probus by Weber and King Plate 35 No 5 (I have placed my coin beside it) I did not know about this pedigree. Now if that was not good enough. Here it is again[ATTACH=full]1441972[/ATTACH]Revue Numismatique Tome 7 1965 Les emissions orientales de la fin du IIIe s. apres J. C. By Bernot and Pflaum Pl VIII 2 B. Again like the pedigree above I did not know of this one either. I guess that makes this coin a keeper. I am still working on a 1964 M &M reference (probably lost) What I am trying to say using this rather involved and convoluted method is that the value of the pedigree is dependent upon the volume and quality of the information provided. This coin despite being otherwise unremarkable had a great pedigree stretching back to 1965[/QUOTE]
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