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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;dougsmit, post: 8215160, member: 19463&quot;]As with anything, my opinion is just an opinion but I feel provenance to a collection does not count until that collection is finished and broken up, often but not always on the death of the person who formed it.&nbsp; For example, I have coins that I bought from coin dealer Barry Murphy back when he was working shows selling coins he had purchased for the purpose of reselling.&nbsp; I also have a few coins that were part of his Severan collection as shown on his web page on that subject which was broken up when he exited the &#039;collector&#039; phase.&nbsp; There is a difference between the &#039;collection of&#039; and &#039;from the stock of&#039;.&nbsp; On a lower level, a few people here have shown coins as &#039;ex Doug Smith&#039;.&nbsp; In most cases what they have is not what I considered part of my collection but from my numerous duplicates or mistakes; not coins &#039;of&#039; the collection but coins &#039;kicked out&#039; of the collection. An exception to this might be coins that had been illustrated on one of my web pages even if it was of the class that I bought for the specific purpose of illustrating some point that page was making.&nbsp; A few of you got coins (usually in trades) that were not &#039;castoffs&#039; but for the most part I would save the use of my name in &#039;provenance&#039; to the coins my heirs sell when I pass away or lose interest and dump the whole thing.</p><p><br /></p><p>This attitude makes it hard to decide whether a coin &#039;qualifies&#039; or not.&nbsp; Lately we have seen coins sold by Frank Robinson flagged as from his collection rather than coins he bought for flipping. I see this rather as the same distinction I would make if I were listing the provenance of my house.&nbsp; I would include the families that lived here but not the real estate professionals (agents or flippers) that handled the commodity.</p><p><br /></p><p>One more thing:&nbsp; It seems fashionable these days to name your collection hiding the name of the collector.&nbsp; That is you business, not mine.</p><p><br /></p><p>Just an opinion/fact.&nbsp; If I were a dealer handling coins that belonged to a previous collection, I would not list that name if it might cause potential buyers to down-value the item.&nbsp; &#039;Limes&#039; has a meaning in the hobby referring to quasi-official coins produced from poor metal under uncertain circumstances.&nbsp; If I were Leu, I would not risk confusing bidders who might not consider &#039;Limes&#039; something positive. While I remain honored by once being told I was the &#039;2nd biggest cheapskate&#039; this dealer had met, I would prefer my estate go to market without being labeled &#039;ex. Cheapskate<font size="2">2</font> collection&#039;.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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