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<p>[QUOTE="Marshall, post: 7609500, member: 21705"]Here is an 11 year old thread post from GDJMSP. Terminology is a never ending struggle.</p><p><br /></p><p>"For as long as I can remember there have been knock down, drag out fights among the experts as to exactly what constitutes a cud. It used to get downright bloody on rcc when this subject was discussed. For many years the name "internal cud" was constantly being proposed as the way to distinguish between the two types - those that involved the rim and those that did not. And never was an acceptable consensus established.</p><p><br /></p><p>To me it's common sense. A cud is simply the result of piece being missing from the die when it strikes the coin. Think of it as a hole in the die that is not supposed to be there. Now regardless of how that hole in the die got there, or where it is on the die, the end result is always the same - a raised spot of metal on the coin. Thus that raised spot of metal is called a cud.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now you can say that die chips are not cuds, but we all know and agree that die chips are quite common and they result from a tiny piece of the die breaking away. OK, that's fine, but how big does that piece that broke away have to be before it is called a cud ?</p><p><br /></p><p>In that regard it's kind of like the damage thing. How big does a contact mark have to be before it is called damage and not a contact mark ? Or how big does a scratch have to be before it makes a coin ungradeable ?</p><p><br /></p><p>You're never going to find an answer because there isn't one. And there will never be one because people simply cannot agree on something that seems so simple. And they cannot agree because if they did it would mean that some of their own coins, or coins they want to buy, or coins they want to sell, or coins they have graded, will suddenly no longer be gradeable. And that they are not willing to accept. It's OK if it happens to somebody else's coin, but not one of theirs, no sir.</p><p><br /></p><p>So we shall forever have these arguments about what is and what isn't."[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marshall, post: 7609500, member: 21705"]Here is an 11 year old thread post from GDJMSP. Terminology is a never ending struggle. "For as long as I can remember there have been knock down, drag out fights among the experts as to exactly what constitutes a cud. It used to get downright bloody on rcc when this subject was discussed. For many years the name "internal cud" was constantly being proposed as the way to distinguish between the two types - those that involved the rim and those that did not. And never was an acceptable consensus established. To me it's common sense. A cud is simply the result of piece being missing from the die when it strikes the coin. Think of it as a hole in the die that is not supposed to be there. Now regardless of how that hole in the die got there, or where it is on the die, the end result is always the same - a raised spot of metal on the coin. Thus that raised spot of metal is called a cud. Now you can say that die chips are not cuds, but we all know and agree that die chips are quite common and they result from a tiny piece of the die breaking away. OK, that's fine, but how big does that piece that broke away have to be before it is called a cud ? In that regard it's kind of like the damage thing. How big does a contact mark have to be before it is called damage and not a contact mark ? Or how big does a scratch have to be before it makes a coin ungradeable ? You're never going to find an answer because there isn't one. And there will never be one because people simply cannot agree on something that seems so simple. And they cannot agree because if they did it would mean that some of their own coins, or coins they want to buy, or coins they want to sell, or coins they have graded, will suddenly no longer be gradeable. And that they are not willing to accept. It's OK if it happens to somebody else's coin, but not one of theirs, no sir. So we shall forever have these arguments about what is and what isn't."[/QUOTE]
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