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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 7605469, member: 24314&quot;]<span style="color: #660066">Marshall, posted: &quot;I&#039;ve heard the term internal cud to describe a piece of the die which breaks out of the die, but not at the rim. [<span style="color: #00b300">What you heard is totally <span style="color: #b30000">incorrect</span>.&nbsp; There is no such thing as an &quot;internal cud!&quot;&nbsp; Leading you to believe</span>:] It appears to me that a CUD describes any chunk of the die which has fallen away from the die surface. It usually progresses from a break which usually begins at the rim.&quot;</span></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/upload_2021-5-25_20-1-31-jpeg.1309191/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>This coin has a broken die with a chunk missing at the &quot;E.&quot;&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>From MacMillan Dictionary of Numismatics:&nbsp; A cud is &quot;an abnormally raised area of metal at the edge of a coin,...a sign that the die used to strike the piece broke completely at that part.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>Retained cuds are different.&nbsp; Look it up.&nbsp; Die chips are raised on the coin where other parts of the die broke away. </p><p><br /></p><p>As for terminology, it changes.&nbsp; Much of the time the change occurs because new information became available.&nbsp; The other reason is when misinformation takes over.</p><p><br /></p><p>Large cent collectors of today and long ago are possibly the most informed numismatists as a group (along with ancient collectors).&nbsp; If they call the die chip break on the cent above a &quot;cud&quot; as you imply, it is probably from a very long usage before the correct terminology was assigned by the folks who studied how coins are made and their characteristics.&nbsp;&nbsp; That makes the use of &quot;cud&quot; in any way besides its true meaning just uninformed misinformation. </p><p><br /></p><p>It is very unfortunate that numismatic education in this country is so lacking in spite of what is available to anyone who desires to learn. </p><p><br /></p><p>There are many good replies about the gold dollar.&nbsp; I&#039;ll post my thoughts shortly.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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