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<p>[QUOTE="Marshall, post: 7605018, member: 21705"]A note of caution for absolute statements of terminology. Many time the terminology adapts to the area of specialization that first captures your time and devotion to education. Large Cent specialists use the same terms as modern error specialist, but with slightly different interpretations on precise limits.</p><p><br /></p><p>The internal CUD for Large Cent collectors won't meet the definition of NGC for Modern Mint Errors.</p><p><br /></p><p>A frequent point of contention is the use of Die State and Die Stage, with Early Copper specialists using the Breen Die State terminology where other specialties use the term Die Stage and will defend their definition to the death.</p><p><br /></p><p>The process of Die deterioration is the same with a gradual breakdown of the dies and certain markers indicating the degree of deterioration. When it changes from one set of markers to another and what it is called remains a matter of preference, even among experts.</p><p><br /></p><p>One of the biggest discrepancies is whether either term should apply to the variety (Breen Method) or to the individual dies (one each for Obverse and Reverse)(Noyes Method which traces the die deterioration state/stage across varieties.) My preference is the latter, though the Breen Method is used almost universally for Die State while his new Variety Numbering System never achieved market acceptance over Sheldon's old Variety Numbering System. So we're left with a market acceptable hybrid.</p><p><br /></p><p>Another is whether it is a Die Break or Die Crack. Does it really matter when it described the same thing?</p><p><br /></p><p>My own preference is guided by my Early Copper interest, but I now try to use both terms where known to inform a wider collecting audience.</p><p><br /></p><p>I am not prone to just accepting the terminology of TPGs just because they are TPGs. They set their own Standards, but I do not have to accept them.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marshall, post: 7605018, member: 21705"]A note of caution for absolute statements of terminology. Many time the terminology adapts to the area of specialization that first captures your time and devotion to education. Large Cent specialists use the same terms as modern error specialist, but with slightly different interpretations on precise limits. The internal CUD for Large Cent collectors won't meet the definition of NGC for Modern Mint Errors. A frequent point of contention is the use of Die State and Die Stage, with Early Copper specialists using the Breen Die State terminology where other specialties use the term Die Stage and will defend their definition to the death. The process of Die deterioration is the same with a gradual breakdown of the dies and certain markers indicating the degree of deterioration. When it changes from one set of markers to another and what it is called remains a matter of preference, even among experts. One of the biggest discrepancies is whether either term should apply to the variety (Breen Method) or to the individual dies (one each for Obverse and Reverse)(Noyes Method which traces the die deterioration state/stage across varieties.) My preference is the latter, though the Breen Method is used almost universally for Die State while his new Variety Numbering System never achieved market acceptance over Sheldon's old Variety Numbering System. So we're left with a market acceptable hybrid. Another is whether it is a Die Break or Die Crack. Does it really matter when it described the same thing? My own preference is guided by my Early Copper interest, but I now try to use both terms where known to inform a wider collecting audience. I am not prone to just accepting the terminology of TPGs just because they are TPGs. They set their own Standards, but I do not have to accept them.[/QUOTE]
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