What is WDDO compaired to DDO?

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  2. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 Casual Collector / error Specialist "in Training "

    I think the W means Wexler .
     
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  3. Okay cool. Thanks
     
  4. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Well it doesn't mean Wesley. :D
     
  5. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Not Warren either.
     
  6. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    Or, it is only valid on Wednesday, every other day it is MD or DDD
     
  7. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

  8. Cazador

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  9. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

  10. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    Would have said it had I thought of it. Has to be the answer.
     
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  11. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Not a bad candy bar either. Been a long while since I’ve had one. Time to eat another one. :)
     
  12. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

  13. SamCoin

    SamCoin Active Member

    Just two cataloging systems for doubled dies. DDO is the prefix for doubled die obverse coins used in the CONECA archives, while WDDO is the prefix used by John Wexler in his own records. Others you may encounter include FS (used by the cherrypicker's guide after author's Fivas and Stanton), 1DO (used by coppercoins), and CRDO/SDDO (used by CR die varieties to refer to entries documented by the late Billy Crawford and the site's current overseer, Tanner Scott, respectively).
     
  14. Oh yeah man definitely. Actually a few hours ago Wednesday was declared Doubled Die appreciation day. Genuines are given out to the very misinformed collectors, who post 1969s memorials with no errors in sight,
    Then theyjump up and down because, in fhwyr now i can finally get that yacht (Me for 1.5 yrs) because hBiden just declared it a sacred federal holiday. Forget about thanksgiving all praise to the dd
     
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  15. Thanks. I got it now. so no matter what if these are posted on these sites, they are true genuine doubled dies. Considering its a trustworthy variety site, right? Like pcgs would still grade a 2019 wddo as a doubled die genuine?
     
  16. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    Only if you pay extra for the attribution and include the details on he submitting form, otherwise they will just grade it
     
  17. desertgem

    desertgem MODERATOR Senior Errer Collecktor Moderator

    Well, not in everyone's mind.

    A true genuine Doubled die should not exist after 1995 when the mint went from the "double squeeze" die production to the computer (CNC) direct manufacture of a complete die. This die is only used with a single pressing of the planchet, so there should be NO double images. But a huge coin market incentive would be lost to coin dealers and authenicators, AND since the cnc bit often slipped or vibrated, it would make a bad image . Now the coin "gurus" could have said, normal- no doubled die, but instead any slippage on the die could be come a "Doubled Die" in their listing and the coins presented as similar to the Double Squeeze of the traditional 1955, 1969, 1972, etc., and offered as rare and worth more $.

    The topline grading services like PCGS, ICG, ANACS, NCG will only consider certain pre-double squeeze coins.

    PCGS
    " Fivaz-Stanton Varieties from the Cherrypickers Guide, Fourth Edition Vol. II and Fifth Edition Vol. I (see list for exclusions)"

    So I had to answer your questions truthfully, sorry, IMO Jim
     
  18. SamCoin

    SamCoin Active Member


    Pretty much. John Wexler and James Wiles (the two attributors in charge of the respective sites) are two of the most knowledgeable experts in variety coins. There are probably a couple listings out of the 10s of thousands on their sites that aren't actually doubled dies (one of the DDOs on 1965 Washington quarters on variety vista comes to mind), but no one is infallible. If they have it listed, it's almost guaranteed to be a genuine doubled die.
     
  19. SamCoin

    SamCoin Active Member

    Not totally true. There are two types of doubling on single squeeze dies, the extra thickness doubled dies you described are one, but there are also the center design doubled dies, which are caused when the hubbing begins slightly out of alignment and the process is stopped and started again in proper alignment. In this case, the hub just "kisses" the high point of the convex die preform, which is the center, leaving behind a partial doubled image. The best example of this is probably the 2015 Homestead DDO-004 quarter. These are true doubled dies that received two distinct hubbings, unlike the extra thickness doubled dies that are caused by the hub adjusting during the squeeze.

    Also, the date of the transition was 1997, not 1996. The 1996 DDO-001/FS-101 Lincoln cent is a true doubled die.

    Finally, your assertion about grading services is just plain wrong. PCGS absolutely attributes single squeeze era doubled dies as long as they're FS listed (e.g. 2004 FS-801 Lincoln cents - a classic extra thickness DDR).
     
  20. desertgem

    desertgem MODERATOR Senior Errer Collecktor Moderator

    PCGS does show 3 of the 1996 coins as graded such over 20+ years out of 6.6 billion. They must have pulled the die quickly.

    There is no specific date that the mint has said that was the line between single -double squeeze. 1997 was the date ALL coins were single, the mint started slowly
    using single squeeze. The cent was the earliest I believe due to the quantity.

    https://board.conecaonline.org/foru...-when-did-the-mint-begin-using-single-squeeze

    I read your posting and saw your photos on Coin Community. Best of luck. Every collector has different expectations and gratifications. Jim
     
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