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<p>[QUOTE="NorthKorea, post: 1787681, member: 29643"]Given that the grade is subjective to the view of the grader, and we're talking about grades assigned by TPGs, you're wrong, Doug. The assigned grade by ANACS is a MS65. If the coin is removed from the holder and submitted again to ANACS (or another TPG), the grade could change to a MS64 or MS66. Although the coin itself remains constant (ceteris paribus), the grade, which is subjective, can change.</p><p> </p><p>This isn't an argument of "buy the coin, not the slab," but rather one of does a coin maintain an assigned grade in the absence of the original graders slab/marker. The answer is no. If the answer weren't no, TPGs wouldn't be able to use the "grade is only guaranteed so long as the coin remains in the holder" argument. This is especially true of PCGS/NGC coins which are photographed by the TPG. If the coin is unchanged, it shouldn't matter that the coin is no longer in a slab, the grade should remain the same. Unfortunately, this is not always the case. If it were, there would be no need for submission to different TPGs, no need for "crack and sub" considerations, and no need for CAC.</p><p> </p><p>Tim's comment was specifically in response to my comment that the grade is no longer valid (insofar as eBay and ANACS are concerned). He isn't right on this. Neither eBay nor ANACS would acknowledge that coin as being an ANACS graded coin. In fact, ANACS clearly states that it doesn't guarantee grades given by previous incarnations of the company. I don't know why eBay doesn't enforce that aspect of things, but they don't. Regardless of whether they do or don't, the coin, as shown in the listing, would not qualify under eBay's requirements for TPG certified coins. Due to the references to Sheldon scale grades, it wouldn't qualify under the non-certified coins rules, either.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="NorthKorea, post: 1787681, member: 29643"]Given that the grade is subjective to the view of the grader, and we're talking about grades assigned by TPGs, you're wrong, Doug. The assigned grade by ANACS is a MS65. If the coin is removed from the holder and submitted again to ANACS (or another TPG), the grade could change to a MS64 or MS66. Although the coin itself remains constant (ceteris paribus), the grade, which is subjective, can change. This isn't an argument of "buy the coin, not the slab," but rather one of does a coin maintain an assigned grade in the absence of the original graders slab/marker. The answer is no. If the answer weren't no, TPGs wouldn't be able to use the "grade is only guaranteed so long as the coin remains in the holder" argument. This is especially true of PCGS/NGC coins which are photographed by the TPG. If the coin is unchanged, it shouldn't matter that the coin is no longer in a slab, the grade should remain the same. Unfortunately, this is not always the case. If it were, there would be no need for submission to different TPGs, no need for "crack and sub" considerations, and no need for CAC. Tim's comment was specifically in response to my comment that the grade is no longer valid (insofar as eBay and ANACS are concerned). He isn't right on this. Neither eBay nor ANACS would acknowledge that coin as being an ANACS graded coin. In fact, ANACS clearly states that it doesn't guarantee grades given by previous incarnations of the company. I don't know why eBay doesn't enforce that aspect of things, but they don't. Regardless of whether they do or don't, the coin, as shown in the listing, would not qualify under eBay's requirements for TPG certified coins. Due to the references to Sheldon scale grades, it wouldn't qualify under the non-certified coins rules, either.[/QUOTE]
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