What is the proper name for this error...Cud or Die Crack?

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  1. PassthePuck

    PassthePuck Member

    Found this today in my Box Hunt. It's a 2002 LMC with an error on the Rev.
     

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  3. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister The Coin Scavenger © ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Die crack.

    It has to be a piece of metal on the rim of the coin to be a cud.

    Edit #1: the more I look, it seems that *any* "broken off" piece of metal, anywhere on the coin, is a cud... I really thought it had to be on/touching the rim... I'm still looking...

    Edit #2: different resources say different things, but the one that I've been told is what I said originally, thus, you are still looking a die crack.

    (But if it were a "cud" anywhere else but the edge of the coin, it would be called a "die chip".)

    [Experts, please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.]

    See:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mint-made_errors#Die_cracks,_die_breaks,_and_die_chips

    Die cracks, die breaks, and die chips

    Dies can crack during use producing jaggeds [sic], raised lines on the surface of subsequently struck coins. In U.S. coinage, many Morgan dollar coins show slight die cracks. Dies with cracks, especially those with cracks near the edge, sometimes break. The broken piece may be retained in position or fall away. Die cracks and retained die breaks can be difficult to distinguish. Retained die breaks cross the coin's face from rim to rim with the area to one side of the break being slightly higher than the other. Coins struck after the break falls away have a raised, rounded, unstruck area along the edge. These coins are known to collectors as cuds. Sometimes, an area of a die will chip out of the center. These so-called die chips appear on subsequently struck coins as raised, rounded, unstruck areas called die chips.
     
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  4. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Copper plating blister
     
  5. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Let me burst your bubble! Supporter

    I agree with Plating Blister.
    Not a Die crack nor chip nor cud.

    @Dougmeister
    Good attempt anyways ;)
     
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  6. PassthePuck

    PassthePuck Member

    So this would be an example of a CUD?
     

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  7. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I prefer to use the old definition of a cud: A cud is a break along the rim that extends into the field.

    Chris
     
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  8. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

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    No, this is a good example of a cud as a cud must touch the rim.
     
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  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    You coin is a plating blister as previously stated.
     
  10. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister The Coin Scavenger © ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  11. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

  12. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Let me burst your bubble! Supporter

    Retained CUD.. See if you can fit all that on the coin!
     
  13. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

    Retained CUD/Die Crack.......6 of one, half dozen of the other.
     
  14. Heavymetal

    Heavymetal Well-Known Member

    Fifty cents for one, half a dollar for the other
     
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  15. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Retained cud and die crack are not the same thing. You can't have a retained cud without a die crack, but you can have a die crack without a retained cud.
     
  16. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

    I know. My point being, they are both pretty much worthless unless you're a crack retained cud collector.
     
  17. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Yes, but there are always people floating through the forums that don't know the difference and itis best not to put out incorrect or incomplete information that could confuse or mislead them. It is much better to learn what is correct in the first place than to have to unlearn something later.
     
  18. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

    Roger that. Thanks.
     
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  19. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I can agree with you on the die crack sometimes being worthless (unless the buffalo is spitting or some such thing :)), but I think significantly sized cuds will generally be worth a premium.
     
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