what is the grade of this morgan

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Allan, Oct 18, 2019.

  1. Allan

    Allan Member

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    I would like to know what y'all thank the grade of this coin is

    Last edited: Oct 18, 2019
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  3. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    Your photos are too small to see anything and I'm unable to enlarge them. Are they jpeg or another format?
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  4. Allan

    Allan Member

    ok thanks i have posted more photos
  5. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Frankly, that lighting makes it difficult for these eyes to judge.
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  6. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    Thank you for the new photos. As @Santinidollar said, the lighting produces too much glare and difficult to properly attempt to grade.
  7. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    I can't tell from the fuzziness when I zoom in (need to take bigger/more stable pics), but beware of a counterfeit. There appears to be very few bag marks in the fields on this coin.

    And if it's not in an MS-67 or higher holder.....o_O
  8. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Are those your pictures or a seller’s?

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  9. Allan

    Allan Member

    those are the seller's Santinidollar
  10. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    I think that lighting is doing two things: covering up bag marks and other knocks and trying to give the impression the coin is proof-like, which I don’t believe it is.
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  11. Allan

    Allan Member

    ok Santinidollar you maybe right and if you are the good new's i have 30 day return

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  12. MontCollector

    MontCollector Well-Known Member

    As stated it is hard to grade from these photo's. I tried to play around with them and could not get the glare down any.

    Having said that I do agree with @GoldFinger1969 the fields do appear clean however there does appear to be a possible bag mark under her eye. The obverse also does not appear to be PL. In fact it has no cartwheel like the reverse does.

    Now the reverse is a little better with the lighting. It also appears to have clean fields. The eagle looks good to. It has no hits in the breast or wings and appears to be a frosty PL with nice cartwheels.

    The fact that the buyer changed lighting direction and angle for the obverse has me concerned a little though and am wondering what it may be hiding. If I were looking to purchase this coin I would politely ask the seller to take a photo with the lighting the same angle (or higher) than the reverse.
  13. Allan

    Allan Member

    Thanks MontCollector i have already bought the the coin but like i said i have 30 day return that gives me time to have the coin check out
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  14. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & odd Moderator

    Looks to me like it might be polished, but as mentioned, that's hard to determine from those photos.
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  15. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    Exactly. It was likely polished. No grade.
  16. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    My thinking also. Polished or at least dipped to death. Might just be the photos, but doesn't appear to have natural luster.
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  17. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I would not get involved with that piece based upon those photographs. As others have said, it looks polished or overexposed to coverup bag marks.
  18. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    How many times do I have to say "Ditto!"?

    There is no luster at all.

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  19. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    Take some high-res pics with your smartphone and post them here.

    I am not an expert on grading and only a bit less so on MSDs, but the fields looked SO CLEAN that unless it had already passed PCGS/NGC muster, I was thinking counterfeit as their was so few bag marks it made me suspicious.

    Allan, where did you buy it ? And for how much ?
  20. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Polished or plated. Need better photos. Seems unnatural.
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  21. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    For that amount of reflection something strange is going on.
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