Thank you for your response. This coin was bought from a coin dealer in Roanoke Va in 1953 ,don't know about the cleaning,I've had it since then,in with other assorted coins in my hoard.
Cleaning was a standard and more accepted practice way back in the day. It could have been cleaned a hundred years before it made it's way into your collection. It just seems far too bright to not have been at some point. That's not to say that it's not a nice collectable coin though. Frankly I feel that waaaay too much emphasis is placed on cleaning. I avoid them for the most part just because they are hard to turn over if you get a nicer one.
I'd say EF. Unless stored in a vacuum or nitrogen there is no way a silver item could last almost 200 years that bright without some tarnish removal, but I'd have no problem with that. It's just the way things are. TPGs might not like it but as far as I am concerned they can spin on it.
You all give a good grade,XF-AU, on the coin, even with it being 'cleaned'. Even with 'light cleaning', doesn't this clearly take away from the full value of the coin from it's original look ? Why give it the high grade with a cleaning ?
The OP asks for the GRADE, not the value. The coin has, IMO, high XF details whether it is cleaned or not.
My bad I should not have used the word value. I feel clean just takes away from the natural look of any piece.
Most here would agree with you. Bottom line, he bought it in the 1950's, probably for $20, so he's got that going for him.
I feel clean just takes away from the natural look of any piece. The natural look of this piece is 'melted down and made into something else'. The freakish look is the one it has, a very uncommon survivor of almost 200 years, and I'd be far more likely to be admiring the design and preservation than badmouthing it because it may have been cleaned in the past. Many dealers and collectors, especially outside the US, have a fairly casual attitude to 'cleaned' coins, because we are not under the influence of third party graders and make up our own minds about things. Apart from their scrap metal value, all coin values are notional and subjective, and I'd not waste time going over a coin for signs of past cleaning, I'd just go with the impression that coin made on my wannabuy instinct.
Almost every coin has had a "bath" at least ONCE before we get them.I've had a couple that didn't and would not touch them barehanded they stink! God knows what kind of leprosy is on them? A nice steaming/soak in boiling hot distilled water and you get to see what you have w/out a trip to the doc's....