What is it ? Token ?

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  1. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 Casual Collector / error expert "in Training "

    First of all , this is not my ...umm ,Token ? I'm just trying to help out a fellow collector . This was sent to NGC for attribution and they determined " unverifiable " .
    Does or has anyone seen one of these ?? I haven't the slightest but have one theory . I think it might be some sort "Casino Token " from long ago .
    Any kind of help or advice truly appreciated . :)
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  3. norantyki

    norantyki CoinMuncher

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  4. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 Casual Collector / error expert "in Training "

    Very interesting , but wouldn't there be a "shank" if it was a button ?
  5. norantyki

    norantyki CoinMuncher

    I was thinking more of a canteen token... Some regiments that had long term encampments had tokens produced - here, I have interpreted the obverse 5 as being surrounded by a horseshoe... but this might be a stretch.

    Again, this is not my field of expertise - I'm just throwing out an educated guess ;)
  6. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Let me burst your bubble! Supporter

    Interesting how two styles of numbers were used. You can see the difference in the number 5.
    I have no clue. I googled and found no info.
    Interesting piece though.
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  7. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 Casual Collector / error expert "in Training "

    Yea, it could be . I'll take any comments ,well token -related that is . I was thinking that the symbol almost resembles a Horse shoe.
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  8. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Maybe a Speakeasy. I have a couple of tokens found metal detecting from the early 20th century and wonder if this was one of that style.
    All mine have have the city or street on them. But I would imagine that they wouldn't for the Speakeasy.
    Cool token Sal
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  9. John Johnson

    John Johnson Well-Known Member

    At first I thought military token, either an exchange token or a club token. The military would let broke soldiers sign for these to use on base (or post) until payday when they would pay back the money. By the time I joined the Air Force they were using plastic tokens and I still have about 20 of them. But I realized yours is probably not a military token at all, because it would include something identifying the base or post where it could be used. I think you have a carnival token.
  10. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Florida girls have to love walking there sharks.

    I guess its one lucky horse token where ever it came from.I have one that looks similar to it.
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  11. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 Casual Collector / error expert "in Training "

    Thanks everyone !!
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  12. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Food for thought Sal, if you find the answer I would surely like to know what it is. Thank you.
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  14. Mountain Man

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    A thought just came to me (yes, I know, most unusual), maybe it is a coat check token? Club 5?
  15. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    I have a guess. a petitioner token/temporary token thats a freemason penny for Texas lodge 456.

    Hill City lodge #456 was chartered in 1876. it may be a placeholder to identify the petitioners that haven't finished their degrees that people aren't all familiar with. if it was a permanent freemason mark penny it would be much more elaborate usually have a keystone and be more detailed, and likely engraved by the receiver/owner.

    All speculation of course. that rabbit would need to be chased and see if it could even be confirmed, you aren't likely to call the lodge or knock on the door and get an answer unless extremely lucky and in the right place at the right time.

    could also be an old farm pickers check, but very basic also, maybe numbered for some reason, and the horseshoe for an anti-counterfeiting measure?

    this type of thing, unless it's abundantly clear on the token itself, or someone KNOWS already, what it was for might be lost to time.

    could be a free play token for a jukebox somewhere in the U.S. from 100 years ago for all we know.
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  16. norantyki

    norantyki CoinMuncher

    @John Burgess - I like the masonic angle - this isn't a horseshoe, but rather a yolk - a masonic symbol primarily used on N-A Lodge Pennies. For a conclusive answer, we'd need a Texan Mason to chime in... But I am revising my opinion to Masonic Penny, in line with John.
  17. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    it's not a yoke, a yoke is the beam between two horses or oxen so they can pull as a team, I think you are thinking of a horse or ox collar, I mean I suppose it could be a horse collar but it's open and they are usually closed. but I think it's a horseshoe. an odd horseshoe as it's too round, and an odd number of nail slats. Both are ball seriff font although the different styling between the 5s is interesting. Makes me think the 456 was struck, the 5 struck possibly at a later time or visaversa. and the horseshoe that looks added. the 6 has an interesting flaw as well as the 5 on the side with the horseshoe. (it's what I'm calling it!). LOL
    Actually IF it's a horseshoe, it's open down instead of up so it's meant to give luck out to others, not catch the luck for the possessor.

    it's interesting, no idea if it can be identified anymore. kind of looks like there might have been something at some point in the top of the horseshoe that was removed.
    Any idea on the size and weight of this piece, do you think it might be a modified cent perhaps or another countries coin possibly?

    Might be helpful to know how it was acquired, if it has a trail to somewhere or someone.
  18. norantyki

    norantyki CoinMuncher

    Although a yolk, or yoke can apply to a much wider range, in this instance, I agree about a collar - either way, smth I have seen on Masonic Pennies.
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