What is going on with this 1794 S-72 large cent?

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  1. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I was looking up images of S-72 large cents, and I saw this coin. I noticed how all the devices on the reverse were flattened and made “fat”. I’m wondering if anyone knows how this happened.

    The coin in question (PCGS AU-55):

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    A normal specimen (PCGS AU-58):

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  3. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Something smushed it - damaged reverse. Please don't bother asking how the reverse can be damaged yet the obverse is OK. Lots of "stuff" happens when I'm not around. :yawn:
     
  4. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Is there any published information on the late dies states? Dies didn't always crack and break up. Sometimes, they just "got tired."
     
  5. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Shame about that damaged reverse. It has a nice fairly large rim ding at 6 o'clock. At some point it was flattened.
     
  6. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Maybe from a hot die ?
     
  7. Inspector43

    Inspector43 Celebrating 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    Both pieces have the same die crack upper left reverse. On the top one the crack is more pronounced. The die was wearing out.
     
  8. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Yup:

    https://www.pcgs.com/books/earlycents/1794/90

    I thought about that, but here are a few from a later die state:

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    That isn’t the cause of the flattening on the reverse, apparently
     
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  9. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    That was my very question. Something hot sat on the reverse?
     
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  10. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Die wear does NOT cause letters to flatten into the field as these do. It is simply PMD.
     
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  11. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    So you’re saying PCGS made a $10000 mistake?
     
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  12. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title] Supporter

    As a grader...how does this get overlooked? Is it simply because of the quality of the obverse making it rare? That doesn’t seem like a good reason.
     
  13. St Gaudens collector

    St Gaudens collector Active Member

    My guess is something wasn't level and they put the coin face down on a wooden floor & put some REALLY heavy flat metal thing on top of it.
     
  14. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    wouldn’t that also mess up the obverse?
     
  15. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    With the lack of damage on the obverse, I guess the grader assumed it was a result of the later die state. The copper guys at PCGS have shown themselves to not be familiar with the minutiae of the many varieties.

    Or maybe they were just lenient, such as this straight-graded large cent with environmental encrustations all over it

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  16. St Gaudens collector

    St Gaudens collector Active Member

    It might leave an imprint on a soft pine floor and transfer a woodgrain toning pattern on the coin like it has
     
  17. halfcent1793

    halfcent1793 Well-Known Member

    I absolutely agree. The flattening probably did not happen to the obverse because when it was hit it was on a piece of smooth leather or the like.

    Still a very nice coin, even with the damage.
     
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  18. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    I thought I was very clear. It's my humble "Liittle drip under pressure" opinion :nailbiting: that is a damaged coin and should have been put into a "detail" holder by any company claiming to be a major grading service.

    As for the $10,000... I don't know where that # came from but apparently that is what the R-2 coin was worth to someone.
     
    Last edited: May 27, 2020
  19. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    You are asking the wrong person.
     
  20. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title] Supporter

    Fair enough.
     
  21. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    I suggest that the OP post his question on the COLLECTOR'S UNIVERSE message board where it may be discussed further.
     
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