What is a best cheap coin holder?

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  1. i currently buy regular cardboard coin slabs but I seen ads in coin magazines about other coin holders. Is the cardboard holder the safest cheap holder?
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No, because there is nothing safe about them.

    First of all most of them are not of archival quality. And even those that are, do not provide adequate protection for the coin - it is all too easy for a coin to be scratched or dented right through that thin mylar. Secondly, cardboard dust is a problem. All of them produce cardboard dust and when that dust gets on your coins, and it will, it can often cause spots on the coin as that dust decays over time. It can also cause hairlines as the coin moves around inside the holder - and they all move around in there, no matter how tight you try and squeeze them together.

    When it comes to coin holders you get what you pay for - you want cheap you get cheap. And cheap offers no protection. If you want to protect your your coins then you need to buy hard plastic coin holders for each individual coin.
     
  4. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Technically, Doug is absolutely correct, but IMO, it depends on what you want to store. For my high grade, valuable raw coins, and ancients/medieval, I use the Saflips that don’t contain PVC. For cheap stuff like minor mint errors and common world coins (yes, I still save this stuff, even though it’s not particularly valuable), the cardboard 2x2s work fine. You still have to be concerned with issues Doug listed, but when storing lots of low value coins, I don’t want the holders to be more valuable than the coin.

    I have low value coins in cardboard 2x2s that were given to me by an uncle 45 years ago and they look fine.

    AVOID, the soft plastic flips. They contain PVC, which can react to form a nasty acid residue, that will damage the coin. Lots of dealers use these because they are cheap and generally OK for short term storage. If you ever buy a coin in one of these flips, always put it in something else
     
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  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Also, the staples can be a danger, if you are not VERY careful!
     
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  6. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    That's why one of my collecting tools is channel locks.
    I crimp ALL staples that I use on my 2x2's.
     
  7. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    I'd use PVC-free flips in lieu of those cardboard flips.

    It offers thicker plastic protection.

    I wouldn't use staples on the plastic flips if you're going that route.
     
  8. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Things I like about cardboard 2x2s:

    1. Cheap at about 3c each
    2. You can put a lot of them in a box or album.
    3. If not packed tightly, it's easy to flip through a box of them and see what's there.

    Things I don't like about 2x2s:

    1. Staples are dangerous. While assembling, one can bend funny and encroach on your coin or your stapler can hit the coin accidentally. After assembled, staples can hit other coins in 2x2s. When disassembling, if you peel them apart (the wrong way to open a 2x2), you have staple ends very close to the coin waiting to cause a scratch in the manner of every other staple-scratched coin you've seen.
    2. The plastic bit isn't durable. A pinhole in the plastic film can cause toning spots from other 2x2s or debris that gets in.
    3. Even when the staples are crimped, large coins rub against each other through the plastic.

    For a little more money, about 25c each, you can get 2x2 Saflips, which are the PVC-free plastic flips. They can get brittle and crack if handled a lot, but there are no staples near your coins. There may be cheaper brands of PVC-free flips, as well, but probably no less than 15c each.

    For about 50c a coin, you can use a combination of a flip and a Kointain. A Kointain is a mylar shell that fits your coin very snugly, making it safer to put into a flexible flip.

    For about $1 each, you can get the Coin World slabs, which are the size and shape of PCGS slabs. Of course, if your coins are worth $1 each, this is overkill. Bulk starts becoming a drawback here.
     
  9. serafino

    serafino Well-Known Member

    I agree about the dangers of those staples scratching a coin. The first thing I do when I buy a coin in those cardboard flips is to remove it . The way I remove them is to use a wooden toothpick and pierce the Mylar, that way I avoid the staples.
     
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  10. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    And that is the correct way. Sometimes I use a pencil, but I almost always have a rose thorn on my desk, so I usually use that.
     
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  11. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Couple of thoughts...Saflips are cheap...$0.25 compared to $0.03...so 8X is no big? Would you pay $136 for a run-of-the-mill American Silver Eagle...same differential. Staples...OK, don't staple. If I fold a cardboard 2x2 over a coin and slip it into a page that holds 2x2's, it won't open up or slip out and if I feel the overwhelming need to touch the coin...out it comes. As far as safety, I have seen some 2x2's that are so old the polyester (Mylar) is decomposing, and the coins are still fine.
     
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  12. Robert Paul

    Robert Paul Active Member

    Good info here.
    I also don't like the staples, and crimp each staple down flat.
    You can buy a stapler that does this for you, but I still use a nice small pair of needle nose pliers.
     
  13. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Staple, staple, staple, staple. Crimp, crimp, crimp, crimp, crimp, crimp, crimp, crimp.

    I use dedicated, small pair of pliers (not needle nose) and crimp each side of the staple. Do it enough times and you get pretty quick. I do recommend the removal technique mentioned previously of breaking through the mylar window with something softer like a toothpick. Then again, I only use these for cheaper coins
     
  14. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    For a coin worth 25c, it's big. For a coin worth $100, it's not. You have to take the value of the coin into consideration when determining cost-effective storage.
     
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  15. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Agree, but where is the breaking point? I have LOTS of coins worth $10 or less.
     
  16. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    I have about 6-7 binders of world coins in 2x2s. Most are the cheap, pick box variety that I accumulated over my years of collecting. Cardboard instead of saflips really is a significant cost difference.

    The cost of the 20 pocket pages are another story :dead:
     
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  17. Robert Paul

    Robert Paul Active Member

    Another way to think about is it:
    Today's cheap coins could be a very expensive coin is 20 or 30 years.
    If you don't take care of it today it will still be a cheap coin in 30 years.
     
  18. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Nah. My cheap coins now were cheap coins when I got them 10, 20, 30, or 40 years ago. Being in a 2x2 or slab wouldn't make a difference. There is no reason to use saflips for dozens of different circulated post WWII Italian Lira and French Francs or a partial date set of circulated Geo V British half cents. They definitely aren't worth the cost expensive holders.

    Heck, I have a hard time justifying the 20 pocket storage pages, but I enjoy looking at them occasionally and you can see a lot more in binders than you can thumbing through boxes looking at one at a time.
     
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  19. harley bissell

    harley bissell Well-Known Member

    Don't put mint state coins in paper 2x2s. Circulated coins can go anywhere and the cheaper the better. Smash the staples always. It you leave even one staple unsmashed it will be attracted to the most expensive coin you have and do
    the most damage possible to it. When you look at a dealers coins in paper flips and the staples are not smashed look carefully for damage before you buy. No expensive coin should ever be kept in a cheap flip. Give it the maximum amount of protection that you can.
     
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  20. John T.

    John T. Active Member

    I use the plastic snap locks - 60 cents ea. by the box. Not cheap, but good for coins worth something. Misc. coins can go into milar plastic or tubes .
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    But what have you gained ? Cheap is still cheap and you still get what you pay for. I say that because Saflips are also problematic. For one the coins move around inside them, and the hard plastic they are made of causes wear on the coin, a lot faster tan you might think it would. For another, have you ever noticed that when you buy a raw coin from a dealer it is almost always given to you in a soft plastic (PVC) flip ? Well there's a reason for that, a couple of them actually. The first I have already mentioned, the 2nd is that the hard plastic the flips are made of can scratch the coins when you put the coin into or take them out of the Saflip. Dealers know both of these things, which is why they don't use them.

    Indeed. In fact I would ask if there is one at all ? Why ? To me it's quite simple, if a coin, any coin regardless of its cost, is worthy of being in your collection, is it not also worthy of being properly protected ?

    You said above -

    OK, lets say a coin cost you $6, I'm just using that as an arbitrary number within your range. When you bought that coin would you have paid $6.50 for it ? Now there may be exceptions, but I'd be willing to bet that most people would say yes to that question. Given that, would you not also be willing to pay $6 for the coin and 50 cents for the coin holder that would protect it properly basically forever ?

    Well, you can buy Ait-Tite coin holders for most coins for around 50 cents each as long as you buy them in quantities of 20 or more at a time. So I'll repeat a previous question - if a coin, any coin regardless of its cost, is worthy of being in your collection, is it not also worthy of being properly protected ?

    When you look at it from that perspective 50 cents seems pretty affordable to me.
     
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