What in the world happened to silver over night?

Discussion in 'Bullion Investing' started by Cherd, Jul 25, 2024.

  1. Cherd

    Cherd Junior Member

    It's been an extra volatile month in the markets, and my index funds have been taking a beating the last few days. But I decided to speculate on a chunk of silver ETF earlier in the week and woke up to this today:

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    Silver spot dropped $1.50 between market close last night and open this morning. I had a more conservative stop loss set for this (1%), but that doesn't do much good with these types of overnight moves!! :punch:

    Any ideas about why things went off a cliff? I'm holding in hopes of a rebound, but if things continue to drop through the floor then I might just :vomit:!
     
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  3. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

    Looks like profit taking…imo…Spark
     
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  4. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    My Magic 8-Ball wouldn't even try to give me an answer.....
     
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  5. psuman08

    psuman08 Active Member

    The markets go up and down. Nobody complained when the markets went straight up. If you are a long-term investor, all is good and this is normal. If you are a trader, good luck.
     
  6. Cherd

    Cherd Junior Member

    A few news articles have suggested "profit taking" as well. Of course, I understand the general concept of what that means, but how does it result in this type of move?

    I suppose a few whales decide to dump silver into the market (the profit taking), this drops the price, which triggers a bunch of other limit sell orders, which drops the price even more, so on and so forth?
     
  7. Cherd

    Cherd Junior Member

    I'm a long term investor for the most part, mostly index funds and so forth. But, I enjoy using around 20% of my cash for "Swing Trading".

    I don't have what I'd call a problem, but I really enjoy gambling. I figure that buying into some volatility (earnings reports, when metals seem to be on an uptrend, meme stocks, crypto, etc) and crossing my fingers in hopes that they go up is better than craps or blackjack. But when things like this happen while the markets are closed, that doesn't necessarily seem to be the case :(.

    I have benefitted from a few violent upswings in metals prices in recent months, and you are right, I certainly didn't complain then. I'm still up overall when it comes to metals, but when something like this happens it'd be nice to understand why (Were there indicators? Is it just random chaos?).
     
  8. -monolith-

    -monolith- Supporter! Supporter

    Short answer, market correction. The market has been climbing at unrealistic rates for a long while. We were overdue for a correction. We will have another major correction when all the people that have charged credit (borrowed money) default on payments because they can't afford the crushing interest rates. The market has plummeted over the past week and precious metals followed. Most people freak-out when the market goes down; I grin and buy more.
     
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  9. Heavymetal

    Heavymetal Well-Known Member

    PMs will never go to zero. Some solace in that as an investor. I’m buying SLV on the way down. Double my position every $1.00/oz from here.
     
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  10. Heavymetal

    Heavymetal Well-Known Member

    The length of your horizon is the key. I look at this as a buying opportunity. Catch any dip and increase your position
    As the stock market sold off, margin calls forced investors to sell gold & silver. Not a supply/demand move. That will change.
     
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  11. Cherd

    Cherd Junior Member

    That's certainly the perspective that I have with my retirement accounts and so forth. Best case scenario would be for stocks to remain dirt cheap up until the day before I retire ;).

    But with swing trading, a big sudden drop is really painful. It's fun, and money can be made quickly, but of course, this is the obvious downside of these activities.

    I did buy a chunk of IBM yesterday before the earnings report. So, at least my daily chart isn't looking as horrific as it could have! :greedy:
     
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  12. Cherd

    Cherd Junior Member

    This isn't something that I had considered, but makes total sense.

    I never paid much attention to markets until the last few years or so. My general idea about metal price behavior had always been "Stocks go down, metals go up". This was based on the extreme spikes that are typically observed during times of economic crisis (during the housing crash, covid, etc).

    However, on closer inspection, I've come to realize that, initially, metals crash right along with stocks before possibly going through the roof. The explanation that you give here would be a plausible reason for why that would happen.

    In the end, I guess responsible investors have to pay the price for big money being way over-leveraged. What's new? :yack:
     
  13. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    A bump in projections for the health of the economy is what happened. It seems largely due to increases in consumer spending and in private inventory investment.

    The majority of consumer spending seems to be subsidized by credit card debt and borrowing against Individual Retirement Accounts. That's not good.

    If the increases in private inventory investment are anything like what we've seen where I work, it's actually a worse sign. A fair number of our customers have recently pushed out deliveries of inventory already built that should have shipped by now. We have to hold that inventory while making more product where it makes sense to keep our people busy, and so do our customers. Eventually, if demand doesn't pick up, we'll have to lay people off. Likewise, so will our customers.

    Ugly . . .
     
  14. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Profit taking
    Market correction
    Political has caused movement
    Rise in price for a long time

    it just happened all at once. Like all precious metals, it goes up and down. And sometimes it doesn’t take much to make it move fast.
     
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  15. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Several of the big AI based stocks such as Nividia dumped. Approx 2.5% down overall, today is better, but some warnings are still in for the near future it seems.
    I called the local coin/metals shop and they said their silver is still in the $30 range as "It will come back very soon and will go higher." Love those guys
     
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  16. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    How's that working out?
    It's like martingailing at the blackjack tables until you hit the table limit.
    SLV doesn't have a limit, just what you're pocket book will allow.
    The blackjack works every time but the last time. :p
     
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  17. tibor

    tibor Supporter! Supporter

    What happened?? Some of the CRH crowd cashed in
    their recent finds. Close to $8 in dimes alone ;)
     
  18. Lon Chaney

    Lon Chaney Well-Known Member

    I complained then. You might not have heard me though.
     
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  19. Heavymetal

    Heavymetal Well-Known Member

    I look at metals as insurance against politicians. If the price of the insurance goes down while the risk is going up, I load up. Since my cash position far exceeds my PM holdings, the value of my savings is always at risk. I doubled down this morning at $27.74 equivalent
    Just bottom hunting
     
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  20. lardan

    lardan Supporter! Supporter

    Hm.........I wonder what they would said especially the last sentence if your call had been regarding them buying PMs from you.
     
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  21. derkerlegand

    derkerlegand Well-Known Member

    Just wait until tomorrow!
     
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