What happened to "WE" on this two cent piece?

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  1. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    It's a PCGS MS66RB and the less common 1865 plain 5, DDO, FS-102 variety. I'm assuming a filled die, but what else could it be? Struck-through? See the pics.

    Cal
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  3. Treashunt

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  4. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Well-Known Member

    My thought exactly
     
  5. PennyGuy

    PennyGuy US and CDN Copper

    I agree with the weak strike diagnosis.
     
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  6. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    So, presumably the "WE" is the high point of the coin, and there wasn't enough die pressure to cause it to fill?

    Cal
     
  7. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    You have the coin in hand? I ask because the WE is there and the mottled toning and the image may just be rendering difficult to see.
     
  8. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    Below is a TrueView pic of the obverse.
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  9. PennyGuy

    PennyGuy US and CDN Copper

    In short, Yes. The planchette itself could have been defective, in that one side was thinner than spec, dies could have been misaligned, etc. the grade it received tells me that there was something that resulted in the poor strike on the upper portion of the obverse. Can you see any lack of definition on the lower portion of the reverse?
     
  10. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    I agree that at least some of the difficultly seeing it is likely from the toning
     
  11. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    Below is a TrueView pic of the reverse. The knot in the wreath corresponds to the "WE" on the obverse. The knot looks to be of at least average strike.
    Cal
    two_cent_1865_plain_five_rev_low_res.jpg
     
  12. PennyGuy

    PennyGuy US and CDN Copper

    Interesting, seeing no real weakness on the reverse I'm assuming the poor obverse strike is Die related.
     
  13. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    Yeah. That was my assumption in the OP. Either the "WE" in the die was filled or covered with something when the hammer fell. I suppose a localized hard spot on one side of the planchet could cause it, but seems less likely.

    Cal
     
  14. old49er

    old49er Well-Known Member

    Filled die would be my guess
     
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