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Message:: [QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 405320, member: 112"]And I was being sincere when I called you pal Mike. I am not being condescending in the least. It's is not my definition, it is not a matter of being my opinion. It is written in the book that was accepted far and wide by everyone in the numismatic hobby at the time, including the pros that Bone posted links to, as being THE standards. And that is what I was trying to point out. Something else that maybe folks need to understand, when the first ANA grading standards were written - ALL of the numismatic experts of the time contributed to that book. They all helped write it, they all agreed to what written in it. Their names are all listed. That's why I said it was the definition. So if now, in later years they write down something different and post it on a web page somewhere - then either their memories are faulty or they have decided that they no longer agree with what they wrote 30 years ago.[/QUOTE]