What happened to this coin?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Lil ol' me, Mar 28, 2020.

  1. Lil ol' me

    Lil ol' me Member

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  3. Lil ol' me

    Lil ol' me Member

    I did not pay a penny (pun intended) for this thing. I got it out of a need a penny take a penny at my local country store. I weighed it and that didn't help things ...2.9g. You would have had a LOT of time invested to rotate as well as diminish the letters according. I just am having a hard time believing my coin is a fraud.
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  4. Lil ol' me

    Lil ol' me Member

    I said it's the exact OPPOSITE.
  5. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    This damage did not happen at the mint, It is altered whether you want to believe it or not.
  6. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast

    Perhaps the result of a board machinist.
  7. desertgem

    desertgem MODERATOR Senior Errer Collecktor Moderator

    The members are being truthful. We often can not tell exactly how effects are produced, but because we understand how the mint produces the coins and the materials they are made from, what mint made oddities could possibly be and what could not be. With millions of people away from their jobs and under pandemic restrictions, any thing to take their mind off their job status and boredom will be done. There are many threads here on how dies and coins are produced. We know we can't convince anyone, so we wish you the best, Jim
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  8. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Well-Known Member

    it's a simple thing to spin down then file down the remainder center.
    I was going to make one just to show .. but then why bother ...
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  9. enamel7

    enamel7 Junior Member

    It's not a fraud, it's a real coin that's damaged.
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  10. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Coins that look that different are usually altered. The mint does make mistakes. Not that big of mistakes. Sorry sis. Save it and show it at the bar
  11. Lil ol' me

    Lil ol' me Member

    Exactly my point! And I've had this coin for many years. So it's not something done during quarantine . n besides... Innocent until proven guilty right? I will not believe my coin is a fraud until anybody shows me it's plausible to do from average tools. Pulling the letters and the building at exactly the right angles to match the letters. Or even marks on the side from something gripping it while it's being altered. Or how the crack goes under the letters.
  12. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Well-Known Member

    Sorry, you misunderstood me.

    When my kids were younger they used to use coins all the time for artsy things. We'd make Christmas trees out of coins. They would try to make a hole using a tack and hammer, then use a nail, leaving these holes on the coins. You would see these holes time to time of ppl posting thinking they are mint errors. Then I taught them how to use a drill. They'd be unsuccessful some times but when they used the right drill bit it was no problem, otherwise they'd leave craters on coins. I'd hammer them to reshape the edges to the kids liking, etc etc. Or spin then in a chuck to, like you see, wipe away stuff on the coin. Of course I'm not the only person or kids in the world doing this stuff. The internet is littered with websites and blogs of using coins in artsy crafts; one just has to want to find it.

    I used to be a jeweler for a bit when younger, and did stuff with metal to make stuff when older. Looking at coins like this is easy to reproduce.

    The problem is, most of the time the coin holder dispels all this information, no matter what.

    Psychologically people *want* their coin to be the million dollar error. It because it has been driven into them from sham YouTube videos and clickbait websites that errors are easy to find in pocket change. Plus their knowledge and expertise is not great enough to know better as their desire far outweighs experienced logic.

    If it was so easy and worth so much don't you think everyone would do it?? especially over the years and decades thus the quantity would have been diminished? And how in the world does the mint make such a wide variety of errors/varieties and not care?? The answer is, they don't. They're all damaged. Hey, if I believed TV shows / fake web ads then I would go out to every barn and find an old car worth millions. And Beanie Babies ....

    But I have no desire to spend my time, even though it would not be much, to reproduce this. Just none. If my kids wanted it, sure why not. But this is one of those situations that we have seen time and time again where "no matter what" we won't convince the owner of it that it is damaged.

    The only way to prove oneself in these instances is to send it to get attributed as an error/variety by a TPG. Basically, "put your money where your mouth is" is the old adage. Though we've seen this in the past, many times. Normally the poster never returns, or actually does show it came back attributed damage or just in a body bag. "Live and learn" as another saying goes.

    Good luck.
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2020
  13. l.cutler

    l.cutler Member

    The best thing for you to do is study up on the minting process. It is a pretty straight forward process. Once you have a handle on it, try to figure how the damage on your coin could have happened in that process. You will find that it is just not possible to have happened, there are however limitless ways a coin can be damaged, either deliberately or accidentally. Yours falls in the deliberate damage category. No one wants to rain on your parade, but with a basic knowledge of how coins are made it is pretty easy to say that it is just not possible for that to have happened during minting. You can always pay one of the third party graders to look at your coin, but it would be money wasted.
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  14. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast

    I think @l.cutler offers the most straightforward way to be able to disqualify your coin as a minting error. Nothing about the planchet, the feeder/feeding process, the coining process, the ejecting process, or the packaging process can explain the damage to your coin. And for those of us with experience in metal fabricating, turning, milling, and stamping/coining can attest to what may have been done to your coin and disqualify methods/equipment that could not. For instance:

    Turning your coin on a lathe could leave the circular image of the Memorial on your coin while not damaging United States of America. However, ONE CENT would be affected, essentially erasing the top half of a letter while leaving the bottom half. But ONE CENT is completely missing.

    CNC Milling makes sense to me to remove the entire letter. Using a probe to touch off the field/face of the coin allows the equipment and tool to be positioned where it leaves no/light witness marks on it that would eventually be obliterated during circulation. Essentially, your coin stays put and the milling tool kisses and moves about the coin to remove the relief design. Setup guys can do this easily. Most operators with some experience can do it to. And it can be pretty dead at 2 AM in a shop...operators will do just about anything.

    Rest assured, the community here is offering you plausible explanations. In truth, your coin is quite unique, but it's wow factor probably won't draw too much enthusiasm. Hobo Nickels, with the artisan's touch are far more valuable. And the master artisans are quite capable of removing material in such a way that it appears as if it never was there. They can be that good. But with the others, you are seeing Post Mint Damage with only intrinsic value to a given individual. Good luck on the hunt.
  15. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster It seemed like a good idea at the time.

    @l.cutler is correct. When trying to understand errors, you should never take the approach, “I don’t understand how this damage could occur, so it must be an error”. You should always ask, “How could this occur during the minting process?”. There are countless ways for a coin to be damaged once it leaves the mint, and many times, trying to figure out what exactly what happened is an exercise in futility.

    However, the minting and die making process is well documented and understood. Since these steps are well defined, if you understand them, it’s much easier to determine if an unusual coin could have come from the mint. And in your case, people are trying to tell you that there is no part of the mint or die making process that would produce a coin like yours. None whatsoever.

    Nobody is trying give you bad info. On the contrary, many knowledgeable error specialists are trying to help you learn. But if you keep with the “I don’t trust you, prove it” attitude, you may find these people no longer are willing to help. And that would be a shame. Just my opinion.
  16. Lil ol' me

    Lil ol' me Member

    I appreciate your reply and the time it took to type all that information out. However, people say it's man made and all I'm saying is show me so I can learn. These people want to jump to ..based on a grainy photo that is by no means a professional one, you're coin is a fraud and you're too dumb to know how we know that". Is what I'm taking from it. I have given at least 5 examples as to why I think my Coin may really be a one of a kind. Regardless of how long I've been collecting. Quality vs quantity is what I was always taught.
  17. Lil ol' me

    Lil ol' me Member

    I mean the question is what happened to this coin....not if it's real or fake. Like you give an example of Christmas trees, someone else gave an example about the coin
    Exactly my point!
  18. Lil ol' me

    Lil ol' me Member

    The letters as well as lincoln Memorial are not gone, they are "twisted"...as if being flushed down the toilet.
  19. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Well-Known Member

    Sorry ... you seemed to have missed my point in this statement.

    but you'll just have to do it yourself, or send it in for attribution/grading.
    Good luck. I'm done with the trolling now ignoring.
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  20. Stevearino

    Stevearino Supporter! Supporter

    I've been watching this thread that you, @Lil ol' me created. You have joined the ranks of hundreds over the years the come on CT with their "error" coin that has been damaged or altered after it has left the mint, and continue to argue with folks on here who are extremely knowledgeable. In your case several have gone out of their way to explain it in great detail. You just don't get it and continue to argue.

    Of course your coin is "one of a kind." That's pretty much why it didn't come from the mint that way.

    It is a waste of time to read your replies. You've had numerous chances to "see the light." Only the person who altered this coin could tell you how he/she did it. But someone did damage it.

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  21. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast

    Here's a quick link to demonstrate CNC milling/engraving that shows you how the material may have been removed.

    Once removed, using a soft tumbling media, perhaps corncob husks, wood chips, or other soft media will remove the tool marks left by the CNC machine. Then...put the coin into circulation...where it wears some more until someone like you (or us), pull it out of circulation since it looks 'different'. If you look at your specimen, you will see rolled material, burnished material, overlapping material on the outer device, much like it was in a dryer for a period. It really is just a damaged coin with a net value of $.01 face.
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