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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;cwtokenman, post: 318807, member: 2100&quot;]While the rule is stated in a straightforward manner, opinions do come into play as whether the coin qualifies for the rule needing to be invoked or not. It is not just the submittors, I believe the graders don&#039;t understand the difference between cleaned and improperly/harshly cleaned as well as they should either - else why all of the returns in body bags of coins sent for grading direct from mint packaging? I agree they are free to construct any type of business model they so choose, and enforce their rules as they so choose (although inconsistency of enforcement is generally not good business practice), but they should be sure of the accuracy of their reason(s) if making a disqualification. Many a time I&#039;ve heard of a second or third submission being successful. So, first the coin was improperly/harshly cleaned, and later it wasn&#039;t? ROFL</p><p><br /></p><p>&nbsp;I do think that submitters have every right to complain in instances where the tpg makes errors - such as the aforementioned body bagging of submissions that were direct from mint packaging. Things like that cause me to once again seriously question their supposed abilities since their opinion flies against the face of what is known to be. The more I learn of tpgs, the lower my opinion sinks, and they are touching bottom at the moment. </p><p><br /></p><p>In general, Doug, I think we are of similar mindset in this area, and I was just seeking clarification in case the tpgs had changed their stance on a few things. Personally, and this may sound a tad cruel, I get a bit of amusement when I hear of body bagged returns. Since I feel that the bulk of submissions are made with the intent of using slabs as a marketing tool for increasing a seller&#039;s profit at my (and other collectors&#039;) expense, I view a return in a body bag as giving that person a helping of what that person was planning to dish out - having to pay (extra) $$$ for little to no added value.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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