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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;cladking, post: 1674180, member: 68&quot;]Yes.&nbsp; It is typically demand that wakes up a sleeper whether the demand is from collectors or speculators.&nbsp; But this demand can build up for quite a long while until it is suddenly reflected in the price guides.&nbsp; Insiders know before the change that they have to pay premiums to the guide to get the coins from other insiders and after the increase insiders are trading them at a discount so the change is much smoother than it appears on paper.&nbsp; Some of this in is intentional on the parts of insiders and publishers to control and profit from the market but in most cases it&#039;s just the nature of the beast.&nbsp; We don&#039;t so much notice little changes until they&#039;ve built up to a big change and because the publishers aren&#039;t always on the ball.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Many of the modern prices are all wrong in the guides and foreign moderns might seem to be exploding exponentially year to year but in reality a few people know what some of these are worth and are collecting or trading them at prices dissimilar to catalog.&nbsp; 1954 Proof Sets from India haven&#039;t really increased 100 fold in the last few years because they were being sought before any changes in price occurred and now they also are trading in the collector community.&nbsp; They simply weren&#039;t trading hands at $15 a few years back.&nbsp; I have extreme doubt you could find a single Chinese aluminum coin from the mid-&#039;50&#039;s at catalog anywhere in the world today.&nbsp; When they (probably) list far higher at some point in the future it won&#039;t really mean that they suddenly woke up so much as there is finally enough demand to actually entice a seller to part with an example. </p><p><br /></p><p>Sleeper coins simply don&#039;t trade now and when the guide is finally updated they trade again.&nbsp; Insiders know what to pay but the mass market is dependent on the guides.&nbsp; This is why it&#039;s so frustrating that Krause is so woefully out of date on many modern issues.&nbsp; This also fosters conditions where the coins flow out of the US back to the country of issue at greatly reduced prices.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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