Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Thomas c, Dec 21, 2019.

  1. Thomas c

    Thomas c Veni, vidi, vici, Julius Caesar

    i was browsing when i found this coin in NumisBids, they say the coin was used as a shaped token/game piece:
    Lot 539

    Magnentius. AD 350-353. Æ Centenionalis (18mm, 4.16 g, 6h). Converted into a gaming token(?). Uncertain mint. Bareheaded, draped, and cuirassed bust right / Large Christogram; A-ω flanking. Brown patina, reddish earthen encrustation, cut into a cog-shaped token/game piece. Fine. Interesting contemporary use of a mid 4th century Roman Bronze coin.

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  3. Ajax

    Ajax Well-Known Member

    Probably someone bored of plowing fields mangled it and bought bread
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  4. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Smiles, everyone! Supporter

    Welcome to the CT Ancients Forum, @Thomas c ! That’s an interesting piece. My first thought was that it was currency from a mobile military field mint to pay garrison troops but the gaming token theory sounds good too.

    I always liked serrated edge (bottle cap) coins.

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  5. Yorkshire

    Yorkshire Well-Known Member

    A bottle top from an ancient coca cola bottle
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  6. Thomas c

    Thomas c Veni, vidi, vici, Julius Caesar

    Have any In your collection?(bottle) ;)
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  7. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    A Chi Rho Christo gram on a gaming token? I wonder what that says about the odds of winning improving. I would have chosen a coin with Tyche or Fortuna but by Magnentius I guess the times were a'changing.
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  8. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    old soda bottles pennies campgate 001.JPG
  9. gsimonel

    gsimonel Supporter! Supporter

    It's a legitimate coin, but the serrations were added later. Here's what it looked like initially:

    As for what the reason was for the alteration, well, that's anyone's guess. But a gaming token is certainly possible. It would be reasonable to assume that the serrations were added much later, after the coin had lost its official recognition of value and was no longer accepted for payment by merchants or the government.
  10. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Smiles, everyone! Supporter

    I have a 1983 Super Bowl bottle with 36 year old Coca-Cola inside :yack:

  11. harley bissell

    harley bissell Well-Known Member

    When u s large cents are done like this they were used to crimp pies. I don't know if ancients made pies or P-zones like Pizza Hut sells. Cool piece.
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  12. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    I suspect there was a utilitarian use, as @harley bissell proposes.

    Williams Sonoma Fluted Pastry Cutter

    Here is a coin with similar edge markings, an extremely rare bronze of Bukara or Paykend:
    Bukhara Soghd, circa 720 AD, AE, Paykend/Paikend, 18mm
    Obv: facing head
    Rev: dancing man tamgha.
    cf. Central Asia » Soghd » Bukhara 'Dancing man' tamgha
    cf. http://orientalnumismaticsociety.org/JONS/Files/ONS_158.pdf

    There were no coins in this shape issued in the same century and no reason to make this look like a centuries-earlier distantly issued coin.
  13. harley bissell

    harley bissell Well-Known Member

    On second thought it looks like the crimps around RAVIOLI.
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  14. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter Khnum-Hotep

    Very interesting. Use as a gaming or token piece is as good a theory as any.
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