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Message:: [QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 836759, member: 112"]Not sure what you got going round inside your head Dick, usually there's something you have in mind when you make posts like this. But we'll see if I touch on it. As to grade - looks like it's in a PCGS slab so my thinking the the toning is NT is probably correct. There are some contact marks on both sides, but minor for the most part and they are well hidden in the toning and other things going on with the coin. Namely, what I believe to be roller marks. I'd call it a 64 primarily because of those marks. Because I think that planchet flaws should deduct from the grade. But I imagine they said 65. But those roller marks have me a bit confused. The direction of the marks matches up on both sides. But on the obverse they look to run into each other at a right angle - and that should not be possible. On the left, upper third of the coin they appear to run SW to NE. But on the right,lower two thirds they appear to run SE to NW - and run smack into each other in between. Nothing like happens on the reverse. So, I'm kinda confused as to how that came to be. Is that what you are thinking of ?[/QUOTE]