What do you think of this 1908 S IH?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by hummingbird1, Jun 20, 2019.

  1. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    I'll third that. I have a fine/very fine 09-S, VDB cent, a fine 42/41 Mercury and a good 16-D Mercury. All purchased raw. There are still plenty of decent better dates out there that don't reside in plastic. I wouldn't be comfortable buying a better date off the web though unless it was certified.
     
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  3. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Paddy..... Didn't the IHC you found detecting on the beach have similar toning?
     
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  4. hummingbird1

    hummingbird1 New Member

    Thank you all for your comments. I thought that the coin was way to clean too. Very well struck but with very odd toning. Why would someone make a fake that looks so well struck with a metal service that someone thought should be improved? The date and lettering look genuine to me. The toning is why I keep thinking something was done to this coin in the past. It will be graded! I'll keep you posted.
     
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  5. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    The placement of the S looks to be correct. For the low mintage 1908-S and 1909-S they may have only used 1 die each. Please correct me if this is wrong. So the S is supposed to be off center. As for real or not, I can't tell from the photo.
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  6. hummingbird1

    hummingbird1 New Member

    Thank you all for your comments. I thought the coin looked odd myself. The mm does look like it is to far to the right. Way would someone make a fake that looks this good overall and not pay attention to wear the mm is placed?? Well if it is a fake buyer beware aye? The toning is what befuddles me. It is going to get graded.
    I'll keep you posted.
     
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  7. hummingbird1

    hummingbird1 New Member

    Sorry for the second response, I thought my first response didn't get posted. Learning the ropes.
     
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  8. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    Please post better pictures here once you get it in hand. That way you might be able to tap the experts to see if it is worth sending for grading. If it's an obvious fake at the at point then no use throwing good money after bad by sending in to be graded.
     
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  9. hummingbird1

    hummingbird1 New Member

    Thanks for the advice Razz but it was just submitted to NGC for grading. It seemed odd enough to share with everyone so i guess will see what the graders say about her. i had some other coins to submit so perhaps a little more good money after bad. I've tried to find all I could about Chinese and other fakes. None of the photo's I've come across are even close to the details on this coin. If it is a fake, holy cow. I'm no expert for sure but to my eye the two things that got my antenna up was the flawless fields and grey toning.

    Thanks again everyone for all you advice and comments.
     
  10. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    Good luck! We are all hoping for the best for you! Please post the results once you get them in.
     
  11. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Since the 1908-S and 1909-S are HIGHLY counterfeited, I may have waited
    until I got some expert opinions here or local coin shops before submitting
    for grading. Hope it works out for you.
     
  12. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Out of curiosity, did you submit them personally to NGC or did someone submit on your behalf? I'm just curious because I always get surprised when people submit on their own. I've been collecting for years and have only submitted two coins to NGC.
     
  13. hummingbird1

    hummingbird1 New Member

    Yes i did submit them personally. I've had a few over the years that I wanted to get graded. It's been awhile but I had a few along with the 1908 S IH that I was curious about. If the IH comes back with a grade it will all have been worth it. If not, i knew better going in. Thanks for your comments.
     
  14. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    You mentioned that you got the coin "online" if it was an eBay seller and it comes back fake you should be able to get your money back.
     
  15. LA_Geezer

    LA_Geezer Well-Known Member

    I mostly agree with this, but through the dark one can see that the coin has very little wear to it. If the photos are a fair account of the color, then I may have my doubts about it, but I otherwise agree with the others so far on page 1 that it's a great coin.
     
  16. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect for 63 years

    I was one of the suckers a number of years ago that bought a roll of cents with S mint IHC on the ends; both reverses looked MS. In hand one was an obvious electrotype counterfeit. The other was a nice MS but the color was off. I sent it in for grading and it came back unc details. I contacted the seller about the counterfeit and we settled for me getting a partial refund (the roll contained anther two 1908-S IHC and a couple semi key LCs). Sometimes I'm embarrassed to admit that I fell for the end roll scams. I guess we all do stupid things in life.

    Regarding the OP coin the color just seems off. I hope that it straight grades but it wouldn't shock me if it didn't.
     
  17. Dillan

    Dillan The sky is the limit ! Supporter

    The coin looks fine to me the s is where it is supposed to be , the lettering looks good. It may have been a metal detector find and was black. Looks as if someone cleaned it . I think the coin is genuine but that is just an opinion. The color I think is making some others second guess the authenticity. Send some larger pictures when you receive the coin , and may get different responses . Nice coin and WELCOME to Coin Talk !
     
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  18. Mike Thorne

    Mike Thorne Well-Known Member

    The odd color puts me off. I've never seen an IH cent, or any other small cent, that color.
     
  19. hummingbird1

    hummingbird1 New Member

    i bought this from a reputable online auction house. If it is a fake I will certainly let them know but the listing did say it was not certified. If it turns out to have been cleaned or grades details I'll have to take my medicine.
     
  20. hummingbird1

    hummingbird1 New Member

    Good morning, i got the 1908 S IH back from NGC and they said that it was not graded because of an altered surface. i think we all suspected something was amiss. I've asked the graders to let me know if they think it is environmental or if they think someone tried to doctor the coin. If I hear anymore i'll let you know.

    Enjoy your day.

    Andy
     
  21. Dillan

    Dillan The sky is the limit ! Supporter

    Too bad , it is a nice looking coin. Someone most likely had give the coin a thorough cleaning with some type of chemical possibly . I think that would qualify as an altered surface. Well at least they never said it was a fake . I would let the auction company know that you are not pleased , not that they give a crap anyway . They expect people to grade coins from pictures , and put in a disclaimer that they are not responsible. Some of the better auctions will let you know what they see , others just dump coins to unsuspecting buyers. Regardless not everyone has a 1908 s IH .Have a good one. !! Dillan
     
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