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<p>[QUOTE="Windchild, post: 1669348, member: 44189"]Anoob, you missed one major part.</p><p><br /></p><p>Those children who were killed in a 'Molk' Sacrifice in the Tophet were normally those of nobleman.</p><p><br /></p><p>From this, it is assumed that it was a honor to give your children to the gods.</p><p><br /></p><p>It also states that they could sacrifice work animals or street children (that they payed for).</p><p><br /></p><p>Most of the children that ended up sacrificed were those who were stillborn or died in infancy </p><p>(due to the lack of graves in the main cemeteries of those under 3, despite infant mortality estimated at 35-40%)</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>It was all over the ancient world, but the sacrifice would normally be just leaving them out on the street (Rome) or throwing them off a mountain (Sparta), along with many other ways.</p><p><br /></p><p>This was mostly due to the lack of food, but most people had multiple children due to the above infant mortality rates.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>It was a corporation, but one reliant on religion. </p><p><br /></p><p>In my Opinion, This was much like the Roman Catholic Church during the Papal States period...</p><p><br /></p><p>They controlled the colonies (states) by Religion, without the religion it would have fallen apart in a short time. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Anoob misspelled the name of the area, and has a few mistakes on what the book is based on.</p><p><br /></p><p>The book is based on surviving histories (taken in context that most historians had an anti-Carthage view), along with Archaeological evidence. </p><p><br /></p><p>For the Area:</p><p><br /></p><p>Magna Graecia (Great Greece) was the name of Southern Italy</p><p><br /></p><p>For more information:</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Graecia" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Graecia" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Graecia</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Little Shocking, isn't it...</p><p><br /></p><p>As I mentioned above, this was not uncommon in the ancient world, but the child would have had a much faster and less painful death than starvation or waiting for the wolves.</p><p><br /></p><p>However, most sacrifices were those of stillborn children or those who were already dead, so it isn't as bad as it seems (only got very bad with the mass killings where this wouldn't be allowed to happen during times of great disasters [Romans in North Africa during the Second Punic War is an example])</p><p><br /></p><p>And Finally:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>In my opinion, the Carthaginians weren't as Barbaric as the Romans (and I'm saying this as a 99.99% chance descendant of the Romans).</p><p><br /></p><p>As said above, the Romans would leave their children to starve or to the wolves, where the children of Carthage were killed quickly.</p><p><br /></p><p>Some of the Greeks called the Carthaginians barbarians. This was because they were fighting each other for Sicily, and both sides committed many Genocides, mass murders and other atrocities.</p><p> </p><p>In fact, the Great Aristotle himself, teacher of Alexander the Great, thought Carthage had an amazing system of Government, nearly reaching that of the Athenians.</p><p>He didn't think that Carthage was barbaric compared to the great city of Syracuse.</p><p><br /></p><p>Romans originally didn't think that the Carthaginians were barbaric, but changed [my opinion is this part] that so they could have good reason to attack and kill the Carthaginians, taking over their empire.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Windchild, post: 1669348, member: 44189"]Anoob, you missed one major part. Those children who were killed in a 'Molk' Sacrifice in the Tophet were normally those of nobleman. From this, it is assumed that it was a honor to give your children to the gods. It also states that they could sacrifice work animals or street children (that they payed for). Most of the children that ended up sacrificed were those who were stillborn or died in infancy (due to the lack of graves in the main cemeteries of those under 3, despite infant mortality estimated at 35-40%) It was all over the ancient world, but the sacrifice would normally be just leaving them out on the street (Rome) or throwing them off a mountain (Sparta), along with many other ways. This was mostly due to the lack of food, but most people had multiple children due to the above infant mortality rates. It was a corporation, but one reliant on religion. In my Opinion, This was much like the Roman Catholic Church during the Papal States period... They controlled the colonies (states) by Religion, without the religion it would have fallen apart in a short time. Anoob misspelled the name of the area, and has a few mistakes on what the book is based on. The book is based on surviving histories (taken in context that most historians had an anti-Carthage view), along with Archaeological evidence. For the Area: Magna Graecia (Great Greece) was the name of Southern Italy For more information: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Graecia[/url] Little Shocking, isn't it... As I mentioned above, this was not uncommon in the ancient world, but the child would have had a much faster and less painful death than starvation or waiting for the wolves. However, most sacrifices were those of stillborn children or those who were already dead, so it isn't as bad as it seems (only got very bad with the mass killings where this wouldn't be allowed to happen during times of great disasters [Romans in North Africa during the Second Punic War is an example]) And Finally: In my opinion, the Carthaginians weren't as Barbaric as the Romans (and I'm saying this as a 99.99% chance descendant of the Romans). As said above, the Romans would leave their children to starve or to the wolves, where the children of Carthage were killed quickly. Some of the Greeks called the Carthaginians barbarians. This was because they were fighting each other for Sicily, and both sides committed many Genocides, mass murders and other atrocities. In fact, the Great Aristotle himself, teacher of Alexander the Great, thought Carthage had an amazing system of Government, nearly reaching that of the Athenians. He didn't think that Carthage was barbaric compared to the great city of Syracuse. Romans originally didn't think that the Carthaginians were barbaric, but changed [my opinion is this part] that so they could have good reason to attack and kill the Carthaginians, taking over their empire.[/QUOTE]
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