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<p>[QUOTE="krispy, post: 1299491, member: 19065"]<b></b></p><p><b> Congrats dwhiz!</b> I like the Morgan you got from Mr. Carr, you did a nice job photographing it too. DC is very adept and skilled at providing collectors of a certain kind, a product that is tastefully handled and unique in the field of numismatics, in that he maintains design accuracy while protecting the consumer from fraud and maintains a coins spec weight and dimensions by using only original quality examples of these pieces. Counterfeiters rarely ever mint a fake piece to actual spec with such precision. Some may, but then they will also seek to deceive the buyer thereafter, thus a true counterfeit of ill gotten intent. That is <u>not</u> what DC creates. Were he, he'd not be a free person in possession of of such tools. </p><p> </p><p> DC has a strong body of personal coin design work and a growing segment of that now pays homage to some of the United States' most beloved coin designs. Personally, of all of Carr's work, I wouldn't seek one of these Morgan's for my collection because I collect other things. I have other examples of his work, both fantasy and original designs and I appreciate them equally. It's really neat to compare DC's fantasy coins next to unaltered originals to see how tight his work really is. I respect DC and his effort to inform the public, much much more than I respect the hecklers who parade about these forums firing uninformed quips to fill their time and misinform those who fall upon such trite commentary. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>And plenty of CT threads on this forum alone attest to this debate, yet DC has yet to convicted of counterfeiting for illegal gain. </p><p><br /></p><p>They are very nice fantasy pieces indeed.</p><p> </p><p><br /></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> @cpm9ball</p><p> </p><p> I agree with only one thing you've stated, <u>that Mr. Carr is talented.</u> The rest of your comment fails to carry any weight on either point: one arguing that you "wish he would start directing his talents toward original designs of his own". Well, I guess I get to break it to you, but he does that already. Perhaps you should <a href="http://www.dc-coin.com/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.dc-coin.com/" rel="nofollow">visit his web site </a>and educate yourself because the majority of his work, is of pieces of his own design, "rather than provide inspiration for counterfeiters". </p><p><br /></p><p>Now that last half of your comment shows how completely you misunderstand what a 'counterfeiter' is doing with their ill-gotten trade. The fact that the numismatic market is profitable and people are easily deceived and relieved of their money, is more inspiration for counterfeiting than one man with a legitimate coining operation, on the books with one of the biggest Mint's in the world, who has never been convicted of nor attempted to pass his work through deceptive means for illicit gain. In fact he goes out of his way to inform people that these are fantasy pieces, changes the design enough to indicate the design isn't original and discusses his work openly.</p><p> </p><p> The Coin Show, by Matt Mike and Carlton, interviewed Mr. Carr on <a href="http://www.coinshowradio.com/Episode_14.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinshowradio.com/Episode_14.html" rel="nofollow"><b>Episode 14</b></a>, perhaps you and others should go listen to it (again). </p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.coinshowradio.com/Episode_14.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinshowradio.com/Episode_14.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.coinshowradio.com/Episode_14.html</a></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> @ratio411</p><p> </p><p>Good grief! It's narrow-minded xenophobic ill-informed comments like this that serve more to confuse rather than understand counterfeit vs. fantasy coins. If you feel DC's a counterfeiter then why don't you report it to the Secret Service. I doubt you will get very far. DC is open about his operation and his intent, which is <u>not</u> to deceive anyone nor any collector with his creations. Mr. Carr hasn't been convicted of counterfeiting and your statement is flat wrong to call him one by opinion alone. Sadly, your retort only stands to show how uninformed you and your biases are, particularly of a respected coin designer and towards a group of people currently pegged only for counterfeiting activity.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> @ BUncirculated:</p><p> Explain why you think it's a counterfeit. It's not enough to voice that opinion when overwhelming legal support proves you and the rest of those misinformed agreement with you dead wrong.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p> @milty456</p><p> Too much history in a coin to destroy it? How many Morgans were minted for cryin' out loud! </p><p><br /></p><p>How many scads upon scads of Morgans do you need to retain a coin's history? How much history is enough history when you can buy them in quantity from bullion value on up to the high end numismatic collectibles we hold so dear. <u><i>IF</i></u> Morgan dollars were so darned scarce as to be of a concern as you have suggested their history being at stake, I highly doubt Mr. Carr's expense to acquire examples to create his fantasy versions would be worth taking the time to bring down a 'piece of history' to mere bullion value. </p><p> </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p> @tonedcoins</p><p> <i>"I too would love for Carr to create his own designs and I personally would buy more."</i></p><p> And just like Chris (cpm9ball) you too should <a href="http://www.dc-coin.com/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.dc-coin.com/" rel="nofollow">visit Mr. Carr's web site </a> to appraise yourself of the vast <u>majority</u> of his work that is of his own design… I'm sure DC will be pleased to process your generous order but you can only buy as much as he has left, because a lot of more informed collectors of Carr's work have quickly snapped up his personal work as it has become available over the years.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="krispy, post: 1299491, member: 19065"][B] Congrats dwhiz![/B] I like the Morgan you got from Mr. Carr, you did a nice job photographing it too. DC is very adept and skilled at providing collectors of a certain kind, a product that is tastefully handled and unique in the field of numismatics, in that he maintains design accuracy while protecting the consumer from fraud and maintains a coins spec weight and dimensions by using only original quality examples of these pieces. Counterfeiters rarely ever mint a fake piece to actual spec with such precision. Some may, but then they will also seek to deceive the buyer thereafter, thus a true counterfeit of ill gotten intent. That is [U]not[/U] what DC creates. Were he, he'd not be a free person in possession of of such tools. DC has a strong body of personal coin design work and a growing segment of that now pays homage to some of the United States' most beloved coin designs. Personally, of all of Carr's work, I wouldn't seek one of these Morgan's for my collection because I collect other things. I have other examples of his work, both fantasy and original designs and I appreciate them equally. It's really neat to compare DC's fantasy coins next to unaltered originals to see how tight his work really is. I respect DC and his effort to inform the public, much much more than I respect the hecklers who parade about these forums firing uninformed quips to fill their time and misinform those who fall upon such trite commentary. And plenty of CT threads on this forum alone attest to this debate, yet DC has yet to convicted of counterfeiting for illegal gain. They are very nice fantasy pieces indeed. @cpm9ball I agree with only one thing you've stated, [U]that Mr. Carr is talented.[/U] The rest of your comment fails to carry any weight on either point: one arguing that you "wish he would start directing his talents toward original designs of his own". Well, I guess I get to break it to you, but he does that already. Perhaps you should [URL="http://www.dc-coin.com/"]visit his web site [/URL]and educate yourself because the majority of his work, is of pieces of his own design, "rather than provide inspiration for counterfeiters". Now that last half of your comment shows how completely you misunderstand what a 'counterfeiter' is doing with their ill-gotten trade. The fact that the numismatic market is profitable and people are easily deceived and relieved of their money, is more inspiration for counterfeiting than one man with a legitimate coining operation, on the books with one of the biggest Mint's in the world, who has never been convicted of nor attempted to pass his work through deceptive means for illicit gain. In fact he goes out of his way to inform people that these are fantasy pieces, changes the design enough to indicate the design isn't original and discusses his work openly. The Coin Show, by Matt Mike and Carlton, interviewed Mr. Carr on [URL="http://www.coinshowradio.com/Episode_14.html"][B]Episode 14[/B][/URL], perhaps you and others should go listen to it (again). [URL]http://www.coinshowradio.com/Episode_14.html[/URL] @ratio411 Good grief! It's narrow-minded xenophobic ill-informed comments like this that serve more to confuse rather than understand counterfeit vs. fantasy coins. If you feel DC's a counterfeiter then why don't you report it to the Secret Service. I doubt you will get very far. DC is open about his operation and his intent, which is [U]not[/U] to deceive anyone nor any collector with his creations. Mr. Carr hasn't been convicted of counterfeiting and your statement is flat wrong to call him one by opinion alone. Sadly, your retort only stands to show how uninformed you and your biases are, particularly of a respected coin designer and towards a group of people currently pegged only for counterfeiting activity. @ BUncirculated: Explain why you think it's a counterfeit. It's not enough to voice that opinion when overwhelming legal support proves you and the rest of those misinformed agreement with you dead wrong. @milty456 Too much history in a coin to destroy it? How many Morgans were minted for cryin' out loud! How many scads upon scads of Morgans do you need to retain a coin's history? How much history is enough history when you can buy them in quantity from bullion value on up to the high end numismatic collectibles we hold so dear. [U][I]IF[/I][/U] Morgan dollars were so darned scarce as to be of a concern as you have suggested their history being at stake, I highly doubt Mr. Carr's expense to acquire examples to create his fantasy versions would be worth taking the time to bring down a 'piece of history' to mere bullion value. @tonedcoins [I]"I too would love for Carr to create his own designs and I personally would buy more."[/I] And just like Chris (cpm9ball) you too should [URL="http://www.dc-coin.com/"]visit Mr. Carr's web site [/URL] to appraise yourself of the vast [U]majority[/U] of his work that is of his own design… I'm sure DC will be pleased to process your generous order but you can only buy as much as he has left, because a lot of more informed collectors of Carr's work have quickly snapped up his personal work as it has become available over the years.[/QUOTE]
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