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Chris

 

Carr states these are overstrikes of coins that did not exist. That alone makes these pieces non-counterfeit.

 

Tell that to Norfed. The government decided his were counterfeits and I haven't seen any US coins in circulation that looked anything like his.

 

I would buy 1 or 2. i have a bunch of MS morgans and there are millions of them. reusing a worn Morgan to make one of these is fine by me. I like it

 

Well the Norfed pieces were being distributed as a means of currency. Its definitely not against the law to make tokens or medals with dollars on them. Sunshine Mint actually minted the Norfed dollars. Its a blurry issue as to whether someone will try to spend a 1964 Franklin Half. But then it still was a real Franklin Half. Perhaps it will be required to mark these issues with "Non Legal Tender" Or perhaps some simpler form of that. I personally enjoy the overstrikes and would not want the gov telling is that we can't collect them. Its a safe assumption that someone is not going to spend $100 and spend it for 50cents.

I enjoy the collecting variety available...from the US Mint and others. It would be very boring to have nothing other than the blah commems the US Mint spits forth...like the Boy Scout Coin with its generic design. ..and as Dan Carr mentioned before he is not altering the face value.

Perhaps there was another side to the Norfed story...maybe tax evasion...who knows.

It would be nice if the US Mint...like the Perth Mint...issued a series of coins replicating old US designs...with legal tender value.

 

A strict reading of the law says it is. It's really just a matter of whether or not the government decides they want to push you on it. Usually they just don't enforce the law, but it is always there in case you annoy them and they decide to make an example out of you.

 

hmmmm what about casino tokens...transit tokens.... "Value $1". But yeah its really not something they worry about until you start to push the limits.

Just being simple..with replicas, overstrikes, etc...in some cases I see art in precious metal...that's good enough for me.

Will the new Ebay law prohibit the sale of large half pound replicas or odd shaped replicas that do have a collector base. Meanwhile fakers will still sneak their coins in.

Some are even faking Dan Carr Amero pieces and selling them. Its a never ending cycle...as long as something is in demand...people will try to fake it. I don't see Ebay banning clothes. Don't ever buy clothes off ebay...or accessories.

 

This is a fantasy coin! duh!!!
1. No Morgans minted from 1905 to 1920.
2. New Orleans mint never officially made proofs. That was done at Philly.
3. Anyone dumb enough to spend it as a dollar should be locked away.
4. No rumors of striking Morgans in 1909 or any other year from 1905 to 1920 unlike the 1964 Peace dollar of which there may be some specimines illegally held in private collections never to see the light of day publicly.
5. This is like making a 2012 half cent, large cent, 2 cent, etc.
6. This is art not forgery.

 

I can only speculate about how many rocks have been thrown at this one (didn't read any farther than D's first post) but I must say that that 'Daniel' fellow sure produces some interesting stuff........

 

No, You tell that to Norfed. The intent with those, and why the government pursued legal action, was because they were created as a currency substitute to the US dollar, and with huge mintages began to pose a threat to undermining the currency of the US, the currency that the government recognizes as legal tender. DC does not intend to create pieces as a substitute for US currency, maintains quite small mintages which clearly cannot pose such a threat and overtly states that these are fantasy tokens, preventing liability for any claims these should be used for anything other than collecting. It's pretty obvious the two are not comparable and the actions the government took were not arbitrary as you implied.

 

It's not an arbitrary decision. They only enforce the law when there is enough evidence to prosecute someone who attempts to subvert the currency of the US. It's not just there to take swipes at anyone on a whim.

 

Simply put...if anyone is going to spend a fantasy 64 Franklin Half that cost about $100...the store would probably say thank you.

 

Well, the way I see it, it is all about perspective.

Take this example, A guy hits on a girl at work. If the girl likes the guy is is innocent flirting, but if she does not, it is sexual harassment.

Now, David Carr makes a high quality example of a '33 Buff. It is called a fantasy coin and he is considered an artist.

The Chinese make the same coin, and it is considered a counterfeit and they are criminals. Go figure.


Now you can make all the arguments you want about a '33 Buff not being a " real coin", but the above statements will still hold true.

Mike

 

The difference, in your example, is that the "Chinese" version is a low-quality engraving struck on a piece of scrap metal in China. They are often sold without any specifics of their origin. The ones I did were struck in the USA, using a surplus US Denver Mint coin press, on actual legal-tender Buffalo nickels, using high-quality engravings, and I post all relevent information including quantities minted for everything I do (and that is something other private mints don't do).

The difference between the two is more like this:

Chinese version: like a cheap cast copy made of "pot metal".
My version: like a high-quality carved "hobo" nickel.

 

The pieces from Daniel Carr are innovative. Its nice to have variety in the hobby. The US mint products, for the most part, are uninspiring and boring. The new war commem is fine but again just a generic looking figure on the obverse and a generic clip art design on the reverse. Not everyone can or wants to buy multi thousand dollar rare coins...with replicas and fantasy issues you get a nice looking coin for a fraction of the cost of a vintage piece.

 

Thanks to the OP! I just ordered one each of the 1975 Ikes.

 

I would be much more comfortable with his 'creations' if he edge stamped them or put some other identification device.

At some point down the road, these are going to be passed from hand to hand and someone is going to either throw them out as an obvious counterfeit (not knowing that the original coin is 'under' there) or get worked up about finding an amazing mint error. Either way, I think it's bad for the hobby down the road.

 

Mr. Carr puts his initials on his work, such as "DC" placed like a 'mint mark' for a signature on the 2009 Proofed Silver eagle overstruck on an authentic ASE. It couldn't be clearer, but if it wasn't, he even points it out in the description of the pieces when being sold. Additionally, for that particular piece, there were two varieties of this "DC" mark, a thick and thin, variety sold to collectors. Have a look and see if you can see the DC.

Many of his other 'creations' are unique and personally crafted by his own hand and design. Some of these pieces bear his name, some tokens bear his own likeness... I'm not sure how much more explicit you need things to get, but many people fail to look at the third-edge of coins, and would miss it where you suggest putting such a stamp, were he to consider putting it there.