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<p>[QUOTE="kaparthy, post: 1020381, member: 57463"]<b>The Camel is a Horse that was Designed by a Committee</b></p><p><br /></p><p>First of all, we would need to <b>remove the government monopoly on coins.</b> Is anyone asking what the Federal Department of Shoes would have to do to make us happy? Can you imagine a Federal Shower Curtain Agency? </p><p><br /></p><p>Here are some links to medals. Of course, to be coins, such designs would have to meet the standards set by Ireland's poet laureate T. S. Eliot when he helped select the artists who created the coins of the new Republic of Ireland: "they must pitch and spin to please the gambler, and stack to please the banker." So, these designs must be made stackable.</p><p><br /></p><p>But realize that no Citizen's Coin Committee or politically appointed Secretary of the Money made these decisions. See here:</p><p><br /></p><p>Medal Collectors, an ANA club founded by David T. Alexander</p><p><a href="http://www.medalcollectors.org/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.medalcollectors.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.medalcollectors.org/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>American Medalic Sculpture Association co-sponsored with the ANA and had an exhibit in Colorado Springs.</p><p><a href="http://www.amsamedals.org/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.amsamedals.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amsamedals.org/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>The international society of medalic arts and artists....</p><p><a href="http://www.fidem-medals.org/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.fidem-medals.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fidem-medals.org/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>... also partnered with the ANA</p><p><a href="http://www.money.org/Content/NavigationMenu/NumismaticEvents/FIDEM/default.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.money.org/Content/NavigationMenu/NumismaticEvents/FIDEM/default.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.money.org/Content/NavigationMenu/NumismaticEvents/FIDEM/default.htm</a></p><p><br /></p><p>This commercial site sells medals. The markets say that these are popular designs.</p><p><a href="http://www.finemedals.com/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.finemedals.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.finemedals.com/</a></p><p>Likewise: commercial and therefore popular medalic art designs.</p><p><a href="http://www.historicalartmedals.com/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.historicalartmedals.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.historicalartmedals.com/</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>OK, Bruce Springsteen's "Glory Days" comes to mind. And we would have to agree that those were America's "glory days." Classical art stands at attention, its heels together, each one like the next, predictably, because of the rhythmic repetition of an implied basic unit: armies are made of privates. Classic art might have been appropriate to the Greeks or Romans, but for America, it was always copycat art. Augustus Saint Gaudens cribbed the design of his Liberty from the <a href="http://www.sikyon.com/olympia/Art/olymp_eg08.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.sikyon.com/olympia/Art/olymp_eg08.html" rel="nofollow">Nike of Painios</a> <a href="http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Arts/NikePaionios.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Arts/NikePaionios.htm" rel="nofollow">and more here </a>, which was excavated when he was studying art in Europe. It is not original. Is that your vision of America, a copy of Rome, which was a copy of Greece? </p><p><br /></p><p>President Theodore Roosevelt, the progressivist Rough Rider who swung the Big Stick of government to interfer in private business thought that the greatest coins ever made were Greek and he got ASG to make more just like them... and then came Weinman... and McNeil... Meanwhile FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT and Carlo Bugati, and the Tiffany Studios were exploring <b>new frontiers</b> -- which is what America is really all about: exploring new frontiers.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p> </p><p>A hundred years ago, no one collected by Mint. Branch mints were not visible to the collecting public. If you wanted one of each year, and if you got a CC or and S, you did not care too much one way or the other. Then, it mattered. <b>Myself, I do not care about the finishes of proof coins. </b> However, if you do, then realize that this is your passion. If hte Mint limits this, then everyone will have one of everything and your collections will not be special.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I agree that even the clad silver strikes up better than nickel. (Nickel is almost as good as silver... almost, but not quite.) At $25 per ounce, a 40% Kennedy half is worth over $3.50. A coin that size 40% would circulate as a $5 piece until silver hit $33.80. As commemoratives, proof only, that would not be so much of a problem. The thing is that the Crime of '73 hinged on the fact that the government originally thought that a silver dollar should have a dollar's worth of siliver. When silver continued to plummet, they then recognized silver as a cheap, inflationary mediium, nominally of some good value as a floor. That floor lasted 90 years. But the astronomical output of cheap tokens (half dollar, quarter, dime even nickel) to pay for World War II was possible only because silver was about 30 cents per ounce. Thirty years later, when those War Bonds came due, the govenrment paid off with money even cheaper than silver.</p><p><br /></p><p>Just to say, silver commemorative are nice, but circulating silver would be too tight a leash on the monster.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="kaparthy, post: 1020381, member: 57463"][b]The Camel is a Horse that was Designed by a Committee[/b] First of all, we would need to [B]remove the government monopoly on coins.[/B] Is anyone asking what the Federal Department of Shoes would have to do to make us happy? Can you imagine a Federal Shower Curtain Agency? Here are some links to medals. Of course, to be coins, such designs would have to meet the standards set by Ireland's poet laureate T. S. Eliot when he helped select the artists who created the coins of the new Republic of Ireland: "they must pitch and spin to please the gambler, and stack to please the banker." So, these designs must be made stackable. But realize that no Citizen's Coin Committee or politically appointed Secretary of the Money made these decisions. See here: Medal Collectors, an ANA club founded by David T. Alexander [url]http://www.medalcollectors.org/[/url] American Medalic Sculpture Association co-sponsored with the ANA and had an exhibit in Colorado Springs. [url]http://www.amsamedals.org/[/url] The international society of medalic arts and artists.... [url]http://www.fidem-medals.org/[/url] ... also partnered with the ANA [url]http://www.money.org/Content/NavigationMenu/NumismaticEvents/FIDEM/default.htm[/url] This commercial site sells medals. The markets say that these are popular designs. [url]http://www.finemedals.com/[/url] Likewise: commercial and therefore popular medalic art designs. [url]http://www.historicalartmedals.com/[/url] OK, Bruce Springsteen's "Glory Days" comes to mind. And we would have to agree that those were America's "glory days." Classical art stands at attention, its heels together, each one like the next, predictably, because of the rhythmic repetition of an implied basic unit: armies are made of privates. Classic art might have been appropriate to the Greeks or Romans, but for America, it was always copycat art. Augustus Saint Gaudens cribbed the design of his Liberty from the [URL="http://www.sikyon.com/olympia/Art/olymp_eg08.html"]Nike of Painios[/URL] [URL="http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Arts/NikePaionios.htm"]and more here [/URL], which was excavated when he was studying art in Europe. It is not original. Is that your vision of America, a copy of Rome, which was a copy of Greece? President Theodore Roosevelt, the progressivist Rough Rider who swung the Big Stick of government to interfer in private business thought that the greatest coins ever made were Greek and he got ASG to make more just like them... and then came Weinman... and McNeil... Meanwhile FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT and Carlo Bugati, and the Tiffany Studios were exploring [B]new frontiers[/B] -- which is what America is really all about: exploring new frontiers. A hundred years ago, no one collected by Mint. Branch mints were not visible to the collecting public. If you wanted one of each year, and if you got a CC or and S, you did not care too much one way or the other. Then, it mattered. [B]Myself, I do not care about the finishes of proof coins. [/B] However, if you do, then realize that this is your passion. If hte Mint limits this, then everyone will have one of everything and your collections will not be special. I agree that even the clad silver strikes up better than nickel. (Nickel is almost as good as silver... almost, but not quite.) At $25 per ounce, a 40% Kennedy half is worth over $3.50. A coin that size 40% would circulate as a $5 piece until silver hit $33.80. As commemoratives, proof only, that would not be so much of a problem. The thing is that the Crime of '73 hinged on the fact that the government originally thought that a silver dollar should have a dollar's worth of siliver. When silver continued to plummet, they then recognized silver as a cheap, inflationary mediium, nominally of some good value as a floor. That floor lasted 90 years. But the astronomical output of cheap tokens (half dollar, quarter, dime even nickel) to pay for World War II was possible only because silver was about 30 cents per ounce. Thirty years later, when those War Bonds came due, the govenrment paid off with money even cheaper than silver. Just to say, silver commemorative are nice, but circulating silver would be too tight a leash on the monster.[/QUOTE]
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