What caused this mint error?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Jimski, Nov 16, 2019.

  1. Jimski

    Jimski Well-Known Member

    The coin is a 1961 Australian penny, Perth Mint. The coin is about the size of a US half dollar. I believe the heavy lines in the field are a mint error. What caused them?
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    A 2 photo composite of the obverse
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    Composite of the reverse.
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  3. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I'm just not seeing anything that looks like an error.
     
  4. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    They look like flow lines from an over used die.
     
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  5. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Not an error or variety it's flow lines and orange peel effects.
     
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  6. Jimski

    Jimski Well-Known Member

    The large lines in the field? Do you think that they are metal flow lines due to die wear? Polishing lines? I recently bought an AU/UNC '61 penny with the same large lines in the field. The seller said that his coin was struck with oily dies. I'm having a hard time imagining how oily dies caused those striations in the field.

    Here are his photos (I haven't received the coin yet).
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  7. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    That's not what happens. Grease used to wipe the Die gets into the incused parts of the die. After many strikes it can become compacted which would fill the areas. The striations is just the wear on the face of the die after thousands of strikes.
     
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  8. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    What's the 61 mintage? Those dies were real close to end of life.
     
  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    @paddyman98 explained it.
     
  10. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Even uncirculated coins can show the effects of die deterioration without dropping the grade to AU/EF.

    The fact that the seller claimed that it was struck with oily dies only proves that he was stupid and you should be careful about buying coins from unknown sellers.

    Chris
     
  11. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Not necessarily stupid, but definitely unknowledgeable. You can't fix stupid, but ignorance can be corrected through education.
     
  12. Jimski

    Jimski Well-Known Member

    Thank you all for your replies. The striations looked like flow lines to me too. I just wanted to test the waters to see if anyone would agree with oily die.

    FYI, I bought one other Australian copper with the heavy flow lines. This one a ’61 halfpenny. It was listed as an UNC. I haven’t received this one yet.

    Would you consider this one an error? There is a large transition in the coin surface around Elizabeth's cheek.
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  13. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I wouldn't bitbot does look like it has the signs to be a woodie.
     
  14. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    You're right! Please forgive my stupidity.:woot:

    Chris
     
  15. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    The cheek almost looks like lamination. A very worn die for sure.
     
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