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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;John Conduitt, post: 4645356, member: 109923&quot;]This reminds me of Russian &#039;wire&#039; dengas and kopeks. The design was much larger than the flan, so it never comes close to fitting. This is a Peter I kopek (c1700), but they made them the same way (with roughly the same design) from the 1300s:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1147890[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The tsar on the obverse has half a horse (and no mintmark), but at least he has a head (with crown), which he sometimes doesn&#039;t. The legend on the reverse is meant to be: [TSAR AND GRAND PRINCE, P]<b>ETR</b> [A]<b>LEX</b>[IOV]<b>ICH</b>, [OF ALL RUSSIA], but all the letters in square brackets are missing.</p><p><br /></p><p>Which letters you get depends on how the legend was &#039;wrapped&#039; - it was written in one long series of letters, breaking at the edge of the die rather than the end of a sentence - and whether the strike was &#039;portrait&#039; or &#039;landscape&#039;. Obviously it&#039;s better if the distinct part of tsar&#039;s name is visible. (There was only one Peter issuing wire money, so this coin is easy. Ivan is less so).[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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