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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;talshiarr, post: 80584, member: 3958&quot;]Sorry I can&#039;t help with that one, I don&#039;t even know the official origin of my own last name <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />. Frey&#039;s Dictionary of Numismatic Names gave the me the etymology of the coin &quot;rappen&quot; and I&#039;ve seen plenty of the Freiburg rabenpfennigs. It&#039;s one of those cases where the denomination far outlasts the image on the coin its named for. Whether that is the absolute final word on the origin could well be impossible to ever confirm. There are other theories, one of the more interesting is given on this page although I question some of their other origin theories (or at least the wording of them):</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.moneymuseum.com/standard_english/raeume/geld_machen/bank/geschichte/namen/etymologisches/etymologisches_unten.html#rapp" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.moneymuseum.com/standard_english/raeume/geld_machen/bank/geschichte/namen/etymologisches/etymologisches_unten.html#rapp" rel="nofollow">http://www.moneymuseum.com/standard_english/raeume/geld_machen/bank/geschichte/namen/etymologisches/etymologisches_unten.html#rapp</a></p><p><br /></p><p>The groschen&#039;s origin predates the <i>gros tournois</i>, although it is true that the French coin did appear first before being copied in Germany as the <i>turnosegroschen</i>. The name <i>gros</i> as a denomination goes back to Bohemia with the minting of large bracteates that ended up being called <i>nummi grossi (thick coins)</i> and in any case a &quot;literal&nbsp; translation&quot; of <i>denarius turnosus</i> should not be &quot;big penny on the Tour&quot;.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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