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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 2269958, member: 112&quot;]A large part of the reason for the disagreement here is that a whizzed coin, or at least what is called a whizzed coin in today&#039;s world, can have many, many, completely different looks. And since they have different looks they also have different diagnostics. To see examples of this for yourselves, meaning anyone who cares enough to actually look, go the Heritage sign in click on Auction Archives and simply type &quot;whizzed&quot; into the search box. This will bring up page after page of coins that have been designated as having been whizzed by the TPGs, coins of every denomination. Then actually look at the full blow ups. You&#039;ll see so many differences that you can&#039;t even imagine it. And yet they are all designated as whizzed.</p><p><br /></p><p>Back in the old days, the &#039;70s, which is when whizzed coins first really became common in the marketplace, the diagnostics for identifying a whizzed coin were typically pretty much the same. And those diagnostics were the same because the method of whizzing was usually the same - a fine wire brush on a rotary tool. This produced very fine scratches in the fields, and there were usually never any on the devices and legends. And this also resulted in the buildup of metal up against the leading edge of the devices and legends where they met the plane of the fields. And that&#039;s an important point because of the postion of that buildup of metal - it was in the same plane as the fields - not up on top the edge of the devices or legends (like Kurt&#039;s coin). This is the description of the diagnostics for identifying a whizzed coin that is typically found in the coin books.</p><p><br /></p><p>But in today&#039;s world coins that are designated as having been whizzed have many different looks. And that is because today there are many different methods for whizzing, different tools are used, and sometimes no tools are used, it is simply done by hand. So of course there are completely different diagnostics for each.</p><p><br /></p><p>Many of these coins I would merely say they had been harshly cleaned, not whizzed, because they don&#039;t meet the original definition and diagnostics of a whizzed coin - not even close to it. And yet the TPGs designate them as having been whizzed, so of course others in the hobby do so as well. </p><p><br /></p><p>This is why there are disagreements like this. Some accept modern definitions and designations and others don&#039;t, instead sticking with the original diagnostics and designations. Myself, I fall into the latter category. And thus Kurt&#039;s coin would not meet the definition of a whizzed coin. </p><p><br /></p><p>As for those &quot;raised&quot; edges that Kurt points out in his pictures, yes they can be found on other coins that have not been whizzed. And some that have been designated as whizzed. So using it as a diagnostic in and of itself is not really very useful. But if there were also fine scratches in the fields along with it, then I would have no problem with it.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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