What a big difference a little rotation makes.

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Theodosius, Feb 6, 2021.

  1. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    I photographed this Phillip II tetradrachm long ago and pasted up the obverse and reverse like so:

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    I always thought the coin looked kind of goofy and unattractive, when it is really a pretty decent coin. It hit me recently that the obverse was rotated incorrectly like Philip was looking down, maybe hoping to spot a dropped coin? A little rotation and now it looks much better, but maybe I went a little too far? It helps to cover up one picture while looking at the other, at least for me they both look wrong when looking at them at the same time. The second one looks "right" to me when looking at it by itself.

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    Is there some rule of thumb for how to align the bust of a person on coin?

    I think this was less than 10 degrees of rotation but it makes a big difference.

    What say you?

    John
     
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  3. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    I have no idea but I always try to make the neck line level which makes the bust usually look slightly upward. I always too wondered how they should be rotated. I think the die axis would also give a hint.
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  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Agreed! Looking more upward seems to add more character to the bust. Nice

    BTW, super Tet, John! It is great.

    Mine is a little more "head-on" look, but seems to befit a "challenging look" of a King on my coin.

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    Makedon Philip II Tet Pella LIFETIME 353-349 Zeus Horse star spearhd Le Rider 102
     
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  5. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis OWNER - EBS Numis LLC Supporter

    A like to have the chin up a little. Adds a little cockiness to the portrait, lol.
    Never downward. Look like a weakling manlet that way.
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  6. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    I think people agree the portrait needs to look "natural" and maybe a little "cocky" too for a male King or hero.

    Once I noticed how wrong the original photo looked I have been on the lookout for this in my other photos.

    Looking at the same coin on acsearch there are a slight variety of angles used, but most at least look ok.

    John
     
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  7. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    I think a good rule of thumb is not to make Zeus stare directly at a horse's butt. :D

    I suspect it would also help to light the portrait from the front rather than the back, when you get a chance to re-photograph it. Great coin though!!

    Seller's photo, lit from the back:
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    I still need to take my own photo, lit from the front to see if it looks better.
     
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  8. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    Right on both counts! Not looking at the horse's butt and lighting from the front make perfect sense. :joyful::joyful::joyful:

    I need to retrieve this from the bank.
     
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  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    LOL! Yeah, looking a Gift Horse in the mouth is MUCH better!

    I am REALLY glad my Tet is a RIGHT-LEFT orientation!
     
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  10. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ...ahaha....idk, i like both pics but beautys in the eye..:)
     
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  11. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Nice coin and I prefer the upward slant. Not quite a Constantine eyes-to-heaven thing but a little more impressive.
     
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