Well that is awkward....

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by ddddd, Dec 3, 2018.

  1. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I don't think you understand my post. Even if you refuse to pay a single cent extra for toning in your life, prudence requires that you still try to determine if the toning on your coin is original. If it is not, the coin becomes a problem coin which will detrimentally affect the value of the coin. So even people who don't pay toning premiums still struggle with the NT/AT problem.
     
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  3. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    That is your solution, not one that is acceptable to the entire numismatic community and not a serious solution.
     
  4. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    NO it doesn't, because all a toned coin is to me is a temporary inferior coin waiting to be replaced by a brighter one.
     
  5. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Look Paul, it is YOU AND YOUR ILK who have decided to pretend that a damaged coin is worth more than an undamaged coin, and neither I, nor indeed virtually the entirety of the non-U.S. numismatic community, owe you a convenient exit from your psychopathology you have freely chosen. Sit and wallow in a problem you and your ideologically and intellectually warped brethren have created.
     
  6. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect for 63 years

    I personally am not captivated by toned coins; although I have to admit that some golden Buffalo's make me look twice. That said, if someone out there is in to toning then it's their money. Don't put them down for spending their money the way they want.
     
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  7. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    The idea that toning is damage is a fringe position started by Weimar White, in oder to, wait for it............................sell his toning remover chemical.

    The rest of the numismatic community accepts that toning is part of nature and wholly unavoidable. They understand that there are unscrupulous actors who would seek to benefit financially by artificially toning coins in order to mimic nature's beauty. They simply want a way to enjoy coins with original skins without being duped into buying the work of a coin doctor. The current system isn't foolproof, but it is by far the best system I have ever heard.

    Liking coins with attractive toning is not in any way psychopathic, and I bear no responsibility for the NT/AT problem just because I am involved in the toned coin market. Your attempt to attach culpability to my actions as a collector is perhaps the craziest thing you have ever said on this forum, and you talk to the lobster quite a bit.
     
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  8. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    While I agree with your sentiment, I am perplexed as to why you quoted me, Kurt is the one putting people down for spending their money the way they want. I have been preaching "to each their own" for a long time.
     
  9. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Derp, derp, derp!

    o_O
     
  10. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Show me one, even one, non-U.S. market that treats toning as a net positive. You can't even go very far back in TIME and find it here in the U.S. Everybody did/non-U.S-does see it as either a neutral or a net negative. The Chinese in particular (the biggest growth market) consider toning to not only be damage, but UGLY SEVERE damage at that. No, those who love their little "toners" ARE the fringe, baby! Live it, learn it, wear it. The entire idea that a toned coin is worth more is simple logic turned on its head.

    And THEREFORE, I owe NOBODY sucked in by that psychopathology one instant of my attention to deal with their own particular quasi-counterfeiting "problem" that is of their very own creation. When I see a "monster toner" in a case, not often, my reaction is "Ewwww."
     
  11. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    So I should replace this errrm “inferior coin” with a blazing white dipped-to-death Jefferson?

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    Sorry, not going to happen :)
     
  12. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Foreign markets just started grading their coins. The US market is the leader to which all the others need to catch up. And considering the Chinese spend most of their time counterfeiting our coinage, I don’t think you should involve that country at all when criticizing the toned coin market.
     
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  13. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Me? I sure would, yes. A brighter one of the same or higher grade? Yes sir, every day and twice on Sunday. So sad that you chose to use a 50-D as your selection, a date that is ALL OVER THE PLACE in fully undipped high grades of brilliant BU, due to recent roll breakups.

    At Ephrata, PA just a few weeks ago, 4 rolls of such 50-D's crossed the block. 160 brand spanking new 1950-D Jeffs, out of one li'l 10,000 person town, right in the smack dab geographic middle what Lehigh calls "Hicksville".
     
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  14. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    I don't get what your saying?
     
  15. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Did they all grade the same
     
  16. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Oddly enough, in this case, it seems this coin was stuck on MS-64, four known times in a row.
     
  17. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    You should show us cuz i think your good at this. I don't ever question your collection
     
  18. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Wasn't expecting that at all. Kinda shocked honestly
     
  19. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Yeah. Sure is a tough call. I'd have to buy one from lehigh to feel safe
     
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  20. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    I know, right? But there may have been, theoretically, even MORE resubmissions in its history. Who knows? Maybe they came back MS63. Maybe they came back "QT". We can never be sure.

    This I can tell you for certain. If it came before me at auction, in a MS64 PCGS hunk o' plastic, first, I'd sleep while it sold, but if I were held at gunpoint and forced to bid on it, I'd stop at 35% back of Numismedia FMV.

    $42 x .65 = $27.30 so let's round it to $27.50. Where I buy, I'd likely end up wearing it for that. Not even marginally worth having graded ONCE, much less four times.
     
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  21. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Can tell your from Philly. Tuff hombre
     
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