Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Everett Guy, Feb 4, 2021.
I have never seen a reverse like this. Anyone know what it is?
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L Titurius L f Sabinus
- Rape of the Sabine Women Denarius
89 BC. Rome mint. Obv: bare head of King Tatius right, bearded, SABIN behind, palm-branch before. Rev: two Roman soldiers running, each bearing a Sabine woman in his arms; L TITVRI in exergue. Craw. 344/1b; Syd. 698; RSC Tituria 2; Sear 249. 3.76 grams.
Near very fine.
Ex: Timeline Auction
fourree (public silver?)
Yes - language is important... however once "abducted" I have a feeling they didn't have much choice as to what happened next.
However I believe the word ‘rape’ still remains applicable to what occurred during this time.
I am reminded of the oft repeated quote ‘a la Arnold’ when asked about: “What is best in life?”
“To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women”
Founding Myths of Rome:
RR L TITURIUS LF SABINUS AR Denarius Rape of Sabines 89 BCE Sear 249
RR Titurius Sabinus 89 BCE AR Den Tarpeia buried shields S 251
The double whammy!
Even though we recognize much in ancient Roman society as familiar, such as restaurants, money, stores, hairdressers, pet dogs, theater, art, sports and so on, it's important to realize it was a very different place in its fundamental assumptions.
It was patriarchal to a degree that is impossible to overstate. It was monarchical, polytheistic, preindustrial, nonscientific, and slaveholding.
Literacy was low and mortality, disease and violence were high. Brutality against the enemies of the state was not considered a crime against humanity, but it was celebrated on coins, on public monuments, and in epic poetry. The penalty for most crimes was death.
In some ways we look up to our Greco-Roman ancestors, admiring and copying their architecture and art, celebrating their philosophy and such. But it's important to note that their society was fundamentally unjust and oppressive and none of us would actually like to live there.
Early Rome was a backwater that consisted primarily of a group of ‘rag-tag’ male miscreants and outcasts. The understanding that if Rome was ever to develop and grow beyond an insignificant outpost of mercenary sell-swords; population growth was needed.
Since early Rome didn’t possess many women, it was deemed necessary to look elsewhere. Hence, the raping and pillaging of the populations surrounding Rome.
I appreciate @Roman Collector ’s take above. I was intending to post something similar.
As much as we may admire and wax nostalgic about ancient times, they were fundamentally cruel, harsh and extremely violent times. Most all Roman emperors were evil men by any reasonably ethical standard.
It is often stated that the victors write the histories. Exalted figures such as Julius Caesar, Augustus/Octavian, or Alexander the Great were self-serving/power-hungry Monarchs. They later became the inspiration for modern counterpart dictators such as Napoleon, Mussolini and Adolph Hitler.
Yes, the Greeks and Romans gave us Democracy, Sciences, Arts and Roads et. al., but they also committed mass genocide on an enormous scale; practically eliminating entire cultures and ‘Hellenizing’/‘Romanizing’ what remained.
I think this Ssbinus guy might have been some sort or sex weirdo.
No, read about him. His name / family were from Sabine. He was relating the myths from his family’s namesake.
These Denarii relate the past of Rome. These stories were taught to their children, and were their heritage. Although I personally do not like these myths, my heritage is from 2700 years in their future. I cannot ascribe my mores to their times and foundation myths.
Sabinus was only relating his heritage to everyone who all knew these foundation myths.
That's it! No more pizza for me.
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