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<p>[QUOTE="John Burgess, post: 7677794, member: 105098"]Hi Dave, first off I can sometimes come across as curt or direct even to a fault, sometimes I'm not in the mood to beat around the bush. Forgive me in advance, I can't help but notice your first reply of any other opinion than yours has been met with a defensive posture from you and I'm not trying to do that also. </p><p><br /></p><p> Can you explain your theory on how it would happen in the minting process? What it would take to reproduce the effect using only the minting press dies and equipment there?</p><p><br /></p><p>How it could happen in circulation doesn't really matter, it could happen a whole bunch of ways. easy enough to drop a penny on the sidewalk, step on it and drag it once or twice and recreate the damage. could have got caught up and spun around a couple times in a coin counting machine even while hung up.</p><p><br /></p><p>So what part of the minting process would do something like what you see because if you can't identify that, then it's most certainly post mint damage. this is not a broken collar, or a pre striking damaged planchet. this isn't a cud, pre-cud or clashed rim dies.</p><p><br /></p><p>I'm not suggesting it was held, or to know even how it occurred exactly, I just can't identify a part of the minting process that would do this, and if that's the case, then it must of happened after minting.</p><p><br /></p><p>Doesn't really matter how many coins you've looked at either, we've all looked and thousands upon thousands of coins, some of us even researched reference materials too!</p><p> You should be able to identify and articulate HOW it happens in the minting process or you're grasping at straws to explain post mint damage as a mint made error just because it caught your eye and looks odd to you. This doesn't justify it as "mint caused" either, just because you haven't seen one like it until now. </p><p><br /></p><p>Too harsh? maybe, but that the straight up truth, no sugar coating and it's factual.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="John Burgess, post: 7677794, member: 105098"]Hi Dave, first off I can sometimes come across as curt or direct even to a fault, sometimes I'm not in the mood to beat around the bush. Forgive me in advance, I can't help but notice your first reply of any other opinion than yours has been met with a defensive posture from you and I'm not trying to do that also. Can you explain your theory on how it would happen in the minting process? What it would take to reproduce the effect using only the minting press dies and equipment there? How it could happen in circulation doesn't really matter, it could happen a whole bunch of ways. easy enough to drop a penny on the sidewalk, step on it and drag it once or twice and recreate the damage. could have got caught up and spun around a couple times in a coin counting machine even while hung up. So what part of the minting process would do something like what you see because if you can't identify that, then it's most certainly post mint damage. this is not a broken collar, or a pre striking damaged planchet. this isn't a cud, pre-cud or clashed rim dies. I'm not suggesting it was held, or to know even how it occurred exactly, I just can't identify a part of the minting process that would do this, and if that's the case, then it must of happened after minting. Doesn't really matter how many coins you've looked at either, we've all looked and thousands upon thousands of coins, some of us even researched reference materials too! You should be able to identify and articulate HOW it happens in the minting process or you're grasping at straws to explain post mint damage as a mint made error just because it caught your eye and looks odd to you. This doesn't justify it as "mint caused" either, just because you haven't seen one like it until now. Too harsh? maybe, but that the straight up truth, no sugar coating and it's factual.[/QUOTE]
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