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Message:: [QUOTE="CamaroDMD, post: 574227, member: 5233"]I agree with that.  But, what I'm trying to say is this coin shouldn't be penalized like some other dates would be.  It seems like a lot of people who aren't overly familiar with this series will want to look at this coin and say that it has a "poor strike" and penalize it.  As you know, there is a very wide range of "normal strikes" for this series.  What qualifies as an MS65 "average strike" for one year is vastly different from another.  I agree that with an average strike, MS65 is about the maximum (although, I feel another point can be earned by being exceptional in other areas...I think this is what happened here).  But, lets say this coin was an 1880-S or an 1881-S...how would that affect the grade.  I would call the 1884-O a MS65/66 slider as it is.  If this was an 1881-S...I'd probably say MS63/64 slider at best.[/QUOTE]