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<p>[QUOTE="bigjpst, post: 2269588, member: 21015"]I agree with you that maybe Dancing Fire should have gotten more opinions before scratching a big X in the coin and selling it, but quite often, fake gold coins are made from real gold, and even real U.S. mint gold.</p><p><br /></p><p>Counterfeiters can be very smart, and by melting a genuine U.S. $20 and making smaller denomination better date or even common date coins they add a lot of credibility to the fake. Add a slightly better date or mm to the smaller coin and the profitability increases.</p><p>Knowing the minting process and how genuine coins are made is the key IMO of learning to detect altered coins, fake errors and flat out counterfeit coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>The ANA teaches classes on detecting counterfeits at summer seminar, but for those that can't make the trip they have several books and a correspondence course that are fantastic. These are a few of the books I enjoyed reading. (My only affiliation with any of the authors is my ANA membership.)</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/modern-minting-process-varieties-correspondence/dp/0896370194/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1446944298&sr=1-1&keywords=the+minting+process&pebp=1446944302130&perid=0EG57G83X5439WE58TEP" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.amazon.com/modern-minting-process-varieties-correspondence/dp/0896370194/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1446944298&sr=1-1&keywords=the+minting+process&pebp=1446944302130&perid=0EG57G83X5439WE58TEP" rel="nofollow">The modern minting process and U.S. error coins and varieties</a></p><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Detecting-Counterfeit-Altered-correspondence-course/dp/0896370151/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1446944478&sr=1-2&keywords=detecting+altered+and+counterfeit+coins" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.amazon.com/Detecting-Counterfeit-Altered-correspondence-course/dp/0896370151/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1446944478&sr=1-2&keywords=detecting+altered+and+counterfeit+coins" rel="nofollow">Detecting altered and counterfeit U.S. Coins</a></p><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Official-Guide-Grading-Counterfeit-Detection/dp/0676600409" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.amazon.com/Official-Guide-Grading-Counterfeit-Detection/dp/0676600409" rel="nofollow">The official guide to coin grading and counterfeit detection</a></p><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Numismatic-Forgery-Charles-M-Larson/dp/0974237124/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1446944626&sr=1-1&keywords=numismatic+forgery" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.amazon.com/Numismatic-Forgery-Charles-M-Larson/dp/0974237124/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1446944626&sr=1-1&keywords=numismatic+forgery" rel="nofollow">Numismatic Forgery</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Oh and P.S. if you are a member of the ANA, they have a library where you can check out many of these books and even some videos for the price of shipping.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="bigjpst, post: 2269588, member: 21015"]I agree with you that maybe Dancing Fire should have gotten more opinions before scratching a big X in the coin and selling it, but quite often, fake gold coins are made from real gold, and even real U.S. mint gold. Counterfeiters can be very smart, and by melting a genuine U.S. $20 and making smaller denomination better date or even common date coins they add a lot of credibility to the fake. Add a slightly better date or mm to the smaller coin and the profitability increases. Knowing the minting process and how genuine coins are made is the key IMO of learning to detect altered coins, fake errors and flat out counterfeit coins. The ANA teaches classes on detecting counterfeits at summer seminar, but for those that can't make the trip they have several books and a correspondence course that are fantastic. These are a few of the books I enjoyed reading. (My only affiliation with any of the authors is my ANA membership.) [URL='http://www.amazon.com/modern-minting-process-varieties-correspondence/dp/0896370194/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1446944298&sr=1-1&keywords=the+minting+process&pebp=1446944302130&perid=0EG57G83X5439WE58TEP']The modern minting process and U.S. error coins and varieties[/URL] [URL='http://www.amazon.com/Detecting-Counterfeit-Altered-correspondence-course/dp/0896370151/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1446944478&sr=1-2&keywords=detecting+altered+and+counterfeit+coins']Detecting altered and counterfeit U.S. Coins[/URL] [URL='http://www.amazon.com/Official-Guide-Grading-Counterfeit-Detection/dp/0676600409']The official guide to coin grading and counterfeit detection[/URL] [URL='http://www.amazon.com/Numismatic-Forgery-Charles-M-Larson/dp/0974237124/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1446944626&sr=1-1&keywords=numismatic+forgery']Numismatic Forgery[/URL] Oh and P.S. if you are a member of the ANA, they have a library where you can check out many of these books and even some videos for the price of shipping.[/QUOTE]
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