Featured Ways to write the number 9

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Valentinian, Aug 6, 2021.

  1. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    The 9th officina used a star instead of a theta.

    [​IMG]
    Aurelian AD 270-275.
    Roman silvered billon Antoninianus, 3.60 gm, 21.7 mm, 6 h.
    Rome mint, officina 9, issue 11, early – September AD 275.
    Obv: IMP AVRELIANVS AVG, radiate, cuirassed bust, right.
    Rev: ORIE-N-S AVG, Sol walking r., holding olive branch in r. hand and bow in l. hand, l. foot resting on a captive in oriental dress kneeling on the ground to r., head turned l., r. hand raised; * in left field, XXIR in exergue.
    Refs: RIC 64; MER/RIC temp 1834; RCV 11569; Hunter 23; Cohen 159; La Venera 1321-32.
     
  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    here's a Galerius with Δ Є across fields.


    bP5ZK2y7jYe4A6p3wBF37oWXiF498w.jpg


    Galerius
    A.D. 300- 301
    25x26mm 9.2g
    GAL VAL MAXIMIANVS NOB CAES; Laureate head right.
    GENIO POPVLI ROMANI; Genius standing facing, head left, modius on head, naked but for chlamys across left shoulder, liquors flowing from patera in right hand, cornucopiae in left, in left field Δ over K, in right Є over V.
    In ex. ANT
    RIC VI Antioch 55b
     
    kaparthy, Marsyas Mike, TIF and 6 others like this.
  4. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    Here's an Alexandrian Year 19 with the number spelled out -- I don't know if it incorporates the spelled-out word for 9.

    Hadrian, Billon Tetradrachm, Year 19 (134/135 AD), Alexandria, Egypt Mint. Obv. Laureate bust left, slight drapery; ΑΥΤ ΚΑΙϹ Τ[ΡΑΙΑΝ] - ΑΔΡΙΑΝΟϹ ϹƐΒ (clockwise from upper right) [bracketed portion off flan] / Rev. Slightly draped bust of Nilus right, crowned with taenia and lotus-buds, cornucopiae behind right shoulder; L ЄN NЄAKΔ [= Year 19 spelled out] (clockwise from lower left). RPC [Roman Provincial Coinage] Vol. III 5941 (2015); RPC III Online at https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/3/5941 ; Köln 1147 [Geissen, A., Katalog alexandrinischer Kaisermünzen, Köln, Band II (Hadrian-Antoninus Pius) (Cologne, 1978, corrected reprint 1987)]; Dattari (Savio) 7450-1 [Savio, A. ed., Catalogo completo della collezione Dattari Numi Augg. Alexandrini (Trieste, 2007)]; K&G 32.619 [Kampmann, Ursula & Granschow, Thomas, Die Münzen der römischen Münzstätte Alexandria (2008)]; Milne 1449 [Milne, J., A Catalogue of the Alexandrian Coins in the Ashmolean Museum (Oxford, 1933, reprint with supplement by Colin M. Kraay)]; Emmett 875.19 [Emmett, Keith, Alexandrian Coins (Lodi, WI, 2001)]. 24.5 mm., 13.10 g., 12 h.

    Hadrian - Nilus (Alexandria), Athena Numismatics jpg version.jpg
     
    paschka, Broucheion, kaparthy and 8 others like this.
  5. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    An abbreviation of ἐννεακαίδεκα, the word for nineteen (literally nine and ten).
     
  6. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    Thank you! No way I would ever have figured that one out!
     
  7. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I am late to the fray on this thread and don't have a great deal to share that hasn't already been covered.

    I do have an example of an IX used during the Flavian period.

    Titus Denarius
    Obv:- IMP TITVS CAES VESPASIAN AVG P M, Laureate head right
    Rev:- TR P IX IMP XV COS VIII P P, Draped throne with triangular back on which are corn ears
    Minted in Rome A.D. 80
    Reference:- RIC II new p. 206, 124

    [​IMG]


    And the Tetrarchy used Theta too

    Maximianus Herculius Follis
    Obv:– IMP C M AVR VAL MAXIMIANVS P F AVG, Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    Rev:– GENIO IMP-ERATORIS, Genius standing left holding patera and cornucopia
    Minted in Antioch (_ | Theta / E //ANT Dot). Early to Later A.D. 309
    Reference:– RIC VI Antioch 112c (R) (Citing Oxford; Apparently a rare issue for Maximianus Herculius and only issued from this officina)
    6.39 gms. 26.19 mm. 0 degree

    [​IMG]
     
  8. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Here is a Republican coin with 9 written additively on both sides.

    Cr378s1cSR300n96268oxen.jpg

    Denarius. 18 mm. 3.70 grams.
    C. Mari C.F. Capit (C. Marius C.f. Capito)
    This issue has Roman numeral up to 151. This one has
    CXVIII = 100+10+5+1+1+1+1 = 119 on both sides.
    Bust of Ceres (notice the ears of grain as a wreath)
    Man plowing left with two oxen.

    Crawford 378/1c. Sear I 300.
     
  9. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Not a 9 but a 4. The only example I have of IV that I can think of is an engraving error where it is VI retrograde.

    Probus
    Obv:– IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    Rev:– CONCORD MILIT, Emperor standing right, clasping hand of Concordia.
    Minted in Siscia (IV/XXI in exe) Emission 7 Officina 6. A.D. 280
    Reference:– Alfoldi type 26, unlisted. RIC 651 Bust type C var. This error (IV instead of VI is not listed in RIC or Alfoldi)

    [​IMG]
     
    kaparthy, Marsyas Mike, Bing and 3 others like this.
  10. manny9655

    manny9655 Well-Known Member

    I did not know that about theta. 6 is another strange number in Greek because it is not symbolized by Zeta, the 6th letter, like you think it might be, but a combination of sigma and tau. This symbol is called "stigma" and it is where our English word derives from. In the book of Revelations, we read that the number of the beast is 666, in other words, chi, xi, stigma in the Greek text. 6 being considered the number of a man, and inferior to 7 (the perfect or Godly number), is where our English meaning derives. BTW, you still see Greek letters for numbers, especially in liturgical texts or when referring to a monarch.
     
    Pellinore and kaparthy like this.
  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The Greek numbers were set before the archaic letters they use were dropped from the alphabet. The other one we see is qoppa for 90. In earlier times the city we call Corinth or Korinth used qoppa and that city kept the Q as a city symbol long after they stopped spelling words with that letter. Changing the number system to drop those letters would have been really confusing to people. There was a third archaic numeral dropped Ϡ but it was 900 and I am not aware of a coin that used it.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampi
    Does anyone have a coin bearing a 96 using both of the archaic numbers? I'm probably the only one who would like one.
     
  12. Broucheion

    Broucheion Well-Known Member

    Hi All,

    upload_2021-8-12_17-47-36.png

    Ar Denarius
    Size:
    16x19 mm
    Weight: 3.59 g
    Die Axis: 09:00

    References: Crawford 544/22; CRI 379; Sydenham 1226; RSC 54; (RBW Collection of Roman Republican Coins) RBW - UNLISTED; (Sear History & Coinage of the Roman Imperators) CRI 360.

    Provenance: Bought in 2020. was ex Roma E-Live Auction 3 (25 Oct 2018), Lot #604; Ex-Inventory of a UK dealer. See https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6973618 [as seen 12 Aug 2021]. Image by Roma.

    - Broucheion
     
  13. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Hey, I have one of those

    Marcus Antonius Leg VIIII.jpg
     
  14. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    I found a couple of Byzantine scale weights. Both use Θ for 9. I was looking for 17 & 27 and will post them separately.
    20060830_MunzZentrum_Auction134_959 9 sol.jpg
    9 Nomismata = 9 Solidi Monetary weight, square 3.0 x 3.15 x 0.50 cm 39.2 grams; Copper alloy (bronze or brass), Incised and Inlaid with silver

    Obv - Cross between marks of value (Νο(μίσματα) θ´) inside simple arch and base, Auction Münz Zentrum 2006; pondera 10278

    20090309_GornyMosch_Auction175_349a 9 sol.jpg 20090309_GornyMosch_Auction175_349a 9 sol rev.jpg
    9 Nomismata = 9 Solidi Round coin weight. AE 3.1 cm dia, 40.0 grams; Copper alloy (bronze or brass), Incised; Obv - Round disc with high edges. Engraved on the top N - Θ, above it cross, below triangle, at the edge and in the field of dots consisting of décor. Pondera 9695, Gorny & Mosch 2009
     
  15. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    I wonder what the point of a nine-solidus weight would be. The chances of anyone having 9 solidi would be close to nil. Mathematically, I don't see the reason for it. 1, 2, 4, 8, yes. 1, 5, 10, yes. But 9?
     
  16. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Thinking very mathematically, with a two-pan balance one can confirm all integer weights up to 13 with weights of 1, 3, and 9. For example, 2 could be confirmed by putting 1 with it and balancing it against 3. 4 balances opposite 1+3. To 5 add 1 and 4 which balances against 9. Etc. But, I doubt they did this.
     
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2021
  17. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    The ancient scale weight makers did not make many 9s. Only 21 of the 13,000 scale weights on Pondera are 9. One has no marks indicated, one has Nθ & VIIII and the rest have Nθ.
    A use for 9 Sol is that it equals 1 and a half ounces. The two most common Byzantine commercial weights I have are 1 & .5 ounces.
    Maybe 9 sol is like the 27/64ths drill bit in my large set.
     
    paschka and Valentinian like this.
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page