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<p>[QUOTE="johnmilton, post: 4862644, member: 101855"]And I suppose that since you are "a scientist" everyone else is wrong.</p><p><br /></p><p>You logic is chasing its own tail. After generations of numismatists have attributed the Capped Bust to design to John Reich, you, in one fell swoop have proved them all wrong "by proving your negative hypothesis."</p><p><br /></p><p>We know that Robert Scot designed all of the early coins from mid 1794 to 1807. Henry Voigt gets credit for the Chain and Wreath Cents and Joseph Wright gets credit for the Liberty Cap Cent design, although I think you have brought that into doubt as well. I think that you would like to throw Joseph Wright under the bus too. Correct me if I am wrong.</p><p><br /></p><p>John Reich was hired as an assistant mint engraver in 1807. Beginning in that year, the mint began to introduce a new series of the designs. According to you, Robert Scot designed all of them. John Reich does not get any credit for anything. Why? Because <b>YOU</b> have been unable to find a scrap of paper or any evidence that would have given him credit for designing any of the coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>Yet there is evidence that John Reich did have a hand in producing the Capped Bust deign.</p><ul> <li>When Reich was hired, notches began to appear on the 13th star of gold and silver coins. No such notches have been noted on coins issued before Reich was hired, and they disappeared after Reich left the mint’s employ.<br /> <br /> </li> <li>There are some examples of the Capped Bust design were a tiny “J R” in script can be seen on the clasp the pulls the fabric together on Ms. Liberty’s drapery.<br /> <br /> </li> <li>The style of the designs indicate that they were made by a different hand.</li> </ul><p>You have stated that Robert Scot produced some very beautiful designs. I agree with you. But if Scot was the great artist that you claim he was, how do you explain this very unattractive design that has always been attributed John Reich?</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1174510[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Did Scot create that this hard looking, middle aged woman, with hair sharply defined, in higher relief, that is totally out of character with his previous work? Since you have pushed Reich totally out of the picture, you have to admit that the same hand produced both of these designs.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1174511[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Check out this 1825 quarter eagle which numismatists have attributed as Scot's interpretation of the John Reich design. Do you see how Scot treated the hair? It is in lower relief and more subtle. The first view emphasizes the hair detial while the second is a view of the coin from the "straignt on" angle.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1174513[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1174514[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>I'll leave with this comparison of an 1804 and an 1808 quarter eagle. The 1804 is Scot's work and, according to you, the 1808 is also Scot's work.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1174520[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>I don't see these pieces as works by the same artist. But I know that you will see it differently.</p><p><br /></p><p>Artists, coposers and writers all have fingerprints. Those subtle differences provide clues as to who may have created a given work.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="johnmilton, post: 4862644, member: 101855"]And I suppose that since you are "a scientist" everyone else is wrong. You logic is chasing its own tail. After generations of numismatists have attributed the Capped Bust to design to John Reich, you, in one fell swoop have proved them all wrong "by proving your negative hypothesis." We know that Robert Scot designed all of the early coins from mid 1794 to 1807. Henry Voigt gets credit for the Chain and Wreath Cents and Joseph Wright gets credit for the Liberty Cap Cent design, although I think you have brought that into doubt as well. I think that you would like to throw Joseph Wright under the bus too. Correct me if I am wrong. John Reich was hired as an assistant mint engraver in 1807. Beginning in that year, the mint began to introduce a new series of the designs. According to you, Robert Scot designed all of them. John Reich does not get any credit for anything. Why? Because [B]YOU[/B] have been unable to find a scrap of paper or any evidence that would have given him credit for designing any of the coins. Yet there is evidence that John Reich did have a hand in producing the Capped Bust deign. [LIST] [*]When Reich was hired, notches began to appear on the 13th star of gold and silver coins. No such notches have been noted on coins issued before Reich was hired, and they disappeared after Reich left the mint’s employ. [*]There are some examples of the Capped Bust design were a tiny “J R” in script can be seen on the clasp the pulls the fabric together on Ms. Liberty’s drapery. [*]The style of the designs indicate that they were made by a different hand. [/LIST] You have stated that Robert Scot produced some very beautiful designs. I agree with you. But if Scot was the great artist that you claim he was, how do you explain this very unattractive design that has always been attributed John Reich? [ATTACH=full]1174510[/ATTACH] Did Scot create that this hard looking, middle aged woman, with hair sharply defined, in higher relief, that is totally out of character with his previous work? Since you have pushed Reich totally out of the picture, you have to admit that the same hand produced both of these designs. [ATTACH=full]1174511[/ATTACH] Check out this 1825 quarter eagle which numismatists have attributed as Scot's interpretation of the John Reich design. Do you see how Scot treated the hair? It is in lower relief and more subtle. The first view emphasizes the hair detial while the second is a view of the coin from the "straignt on" angle. [ATTACH=full]1174513[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1174514[/ATTACH] I'll leave with this comparison of an 1804 and an 1808 quarter eagle. The 1804 is Scot's work and, according to you, the 1808 is also Scot's work. [ATTACH=full]1174520[/ATTACH] I don't see these pieces as works by the same artist. But I know that you will see it differently. Artists, coposers and writers all have fingerprints. Those subtle differences provide clues as to who may have created a given work.[/QUOTE]
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