Voting in Republican Rome

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  1. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio Supporter

    I picked up two coins this week to make a small set of RR coins with voting on them. I suspect that there are some control marks that involve voting. If you know of other RR coins with voting, let me know.
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    from top left, clockwise
    Date, Moneyer
    -126, C.CASSI - C. Cassius Longinus
    -112, P·NERVA - P. Licinius Nerva
    -63, L CASSI LONGIN - Lucius Cassius Longinus
    -55, Q CASSIVS VEST - C. Cassius Longinus

    I just ordered this book:
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    a bit more here -
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  3. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Supporter! Supporter

    Those coins in your set are what I consider four of the most interesting Republican, each with a story to tell.
    Very nice.
     
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  4. gsimonel

    gsimonel Supporter! Supporter

    Interesting graffito on the P. Nerva. Do you think it was deliberate?
     
  5. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio Supporter

    The coin circulated a long time. I think the marks are cuts to check purity, or testing for fourees.
     
  6. PlanoSteve

    PlanoSteve Well-Known Member

    Top pic, bottom right...I think I see a "hanging chad"! :D
     
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  7. gsimonel

    gsimonel Supporter! Supporter

    No. That's a campaign contribution.
     
  8. Sulla80

    Sulla80 one coin at a time Supporter

    Unusually nice coins, the portrait on the "Q CASSIVS VEST" is particularly stunning. All have a great, "I've been tucked away in a cabinet for a while" look. I am curious to see the reverse of your "126, C.CASSI" (Correction: just found it in your attachments). Here's my "63, L CASSI LONGIN" -
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    L. Cassius Longinus, moneyer, AR Denarius minted at Rome, 63 BC.
    Obv: Draped bust of Vesta veiled left, kylix behind, letter before
    Rev: Male figure left, dropping inscribed tablet into a cista
    Ref: Crawford 413/1; Syd. 935; Cassia 10

    Quite the family tree:
    L Cassius Longinus (moneyer) brother of one of Julius Caesar's assassins and son of Gaius Cassius Longinus Varus (consul of 73) son of L Cassius Longinus (consul of 107) son of L Cassius Longinus Ravilla (consul of 127)

    In 113 BC L Cassius Longinus Ravilla was special prosecutor in the case of three Vestal Virgins accused of violating their vows of chastity.

    Lucius Cassius [Longinus Ravila, consul 127, censor 125] was (as I have already often noted) a man of greatest severity. As often as he was a quaesitor in some trial in which inquiry was being made concerning the murder of a man he would advise and even instruct the jury as to what Cicero is now advising: that they should consider in whose interest (cui bono) it was that the man perish whose murder they were investigating. Because of this rectitude, on the occasion on which Sextus Peducaeus the tribune of the plebs [113] indicted Lucius [Caecilius] Metellus [Delmaticus] the Pontifex Maximus [from before 114 to 103] and the whole College of Pontiffs on the grounds of having improperly passed judgment [December 16 and 18, 114] on the chastity of the Vestal Virgins, because they had condemned only one, Aemilia, but exonerated the other two, Marcia and Licinia, the Populus appointed this Cassius to investigate the same Vestal Virgins. He condemned the two of them, and several others besides, with too great asperity (as people think).
    - Asconius note 32 on Cicero's Pro Milone


    Lex Cassia tabellaria one of four laws replacing oral declaration with secret ballot:
    • 139 BC lex Gabinia tabellaria : secret ballot for election of magistrates
    • 137 BC lex Cassia tabellaria : secret ballot for juries except in cases of treason
    • 131 BC lex Papiria : secret ballot in the passing of laws
    • 107 BC lex Caelia : secret ballot expanding Cassia to cases of treason
    Several other coins for this theme (ACSearch links, not my coins)
    - a coin of C. Malleolus 118 BC showing a voting tablet
    - a coin of C. Malleolus, A. Albinus, and L. Caecilius Metellus 96 BC with voting tablet
    - a coin of L. Papius 79 BC with a voting tablet and voting urn
    - a coin of C Piso Frugi 67 BC with voting tablet control mark
    - a coin of Caius Cœlius Caldus 51 BC with a voting tablet
     
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  9. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander Blame my mother. Supporter

    These are certainly of special interest! I just have the one:

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    Agreed.
     
  10. Marsman

    Marsman Well-Known Member

    Beautiful coins. This is my voting coin :)

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    P. Licinius Nerva, denarius.
    113-112 BC, Rome.
    Obv. Helmeted bust of Roma to left, with spear and shield.
    Rev. P NERVA, voting scene, three citizens voting in the comitium. One voter casts his vote to right, to left another receives his from an attendant.
    Crawford 292/1, Sydenham 548, RSC 169, Licinia 7.
     
  11. Archeocultura

    Archeocultura Well-Known Member

    The thing that looks like a net in a game of tennis, is actually a bridge (pons) you had to cross in order to cast your vote on the other side. I recently acquired this Nerva coin too.
     
  12. Volodya

    Volodya Junior Member

    A couple:

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    Phil Davis
     
  13. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio Supporter

    Thanks for the links. It looks like I have a few more coins to find. I found a great Crawford 335/3, but it is a b not a g or f.
     
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  14. PMah

    PMah New Member

    Nice examples. Many subtle details on these types, which are some of the most "real life" types in the Roman Republic, particularly the Licinia. Ok, maybe "voting to condemn a Vestal" wasn't an annual event....
     
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  15. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Dombes collector Supporter

    Great set, and good idea for a sub-series

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    L. Cassius Longinus, Denarius
    Rome mint, 63 BC
    Veiled bust of Vesta left. Control mark L below chin
    LONGIN IIIV, togate citizen standing left, voting
    3.93 gr
    Ref : RCV # 364, RSC, Cassia # 10, Crawford # 413/1, Sydenham # 935


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  16. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & odd Moderator

    I've always found these types interesting.
     
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