Vitellius Sestertius - genuine or cast?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Julius Germanicus, Jun 13, 2018.

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Is this an ancient Vitellius Sestertius or a modern cast?

  1. It´s worn, but the real thing

    2 vote(s)
    12.5%
  2. It´s a cast

    14 vote(s)
    87.5%
  1. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    Vitellius 1.jpg

    This Vitellius Sestertius is rather light at 19,5 gr and small at 32 mm. There are more casts than originals of this type around. I don´t see any real sharp detail and what looks to be an odd wear pattern plus little holes (casting bubbles?) on the obverse.

    Vitellius 2.jpg

    What do you think?

    Vitellius 3.jpg
     
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  3. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Biblical Kingdoms Supporter

    I hope it's authentic! @Julius Germanicus ! It's a nice looking coin. I'm not an expert and unless it came from a trusted authority, I would never be comfortable adding it to my collection.

    If it's fake, it would make a nice flipping coin! ;)
     
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  4. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    pitted, but looks ok other than that to me.
     
  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I'm the last person to listen to, but I think it looks authentic to me (I'm fooled often enough).
     
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  6. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    Cast - the devices look mushy and rounded. It looks soft and just “feels” like a cast. Especiallly the reverse. Just my opinion.
     
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    Aidan_() Numismatic Contributor

  8. Nap

    Nap Well-Known Member

    I don't like it. Sorry. I think likely to be a forgery. But I am no expert on these.
     
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  9. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    It's cast. There is much left-over residue in the fields, the details are 'mushy' and plenty of casting pimples all over, both sides.
     
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  10. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter in hoc signo vinces

    Probably not authentic - I'm no expert though.
     
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  11. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    I am firmly in the "cast" camp on this coin. The detail appears soft with no real sharp transitions as even a worn authentic coin should have and the edge appears to have had some work done to hide signs of casting. I would send it back regardless of the source.
     
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  12. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter** Supporter

    The appearance is not that bad - based on appearance on the picture alone it could go either way.
    However, that is a very scarce type for sestertii of Vitellius and that alone would make me suspicious. Also, it is much too light. Sestertii of Vitellius tend to be massive. I have 3 of them (all low grade, or course), and all weigh over 25 grams.
    That to me is a good indication that something is not right.
     
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  13. PMONNEY

    PMONNEY Flaminivs

    Definitely a third rate forgery, no hesitation !
     
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  14. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    No expert here. But the details look soft and cast-like. But the seam seems pretty good, which is the only thing holding me back from saying "clear fake." But seams can be filed.
     
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  15. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    An aftercast.....
    Compare with these.

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    The latter one described below:-

    Unsigned cast bronze medal after G. Cavino, 32,34mm; 20,20g.
    Obv/ Laureate draped bust facing right
    Rev/ Honos and Virtus standing facing, Honos bare-headed, half nude half draped, holding long sceptre and cornucopiae, resting l. foot on dolphin; Virtus, helmeted, in military dress, hodling parazomium on knee and long spear and with r. foot on tortoise.
    corresponds to a sestertius issued in AD 69, RIC 113; Cohen 38
    offered at auction of a collection of Paduan medals, Kunker Auction 257 (October 2014)
     
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  16. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    Thank you everybody for your help! Luckily I did not buy it yet (live auction is tomorrow and there are some bids already!).
    The coin is nice in hand and looks more "genuine" than my old Paduan of that type (seen below)...

    $_57-13 (1).jpg

    ... but still I´d rather have a genuine Sestertius of his - the last Sestertius missing in my 12 Caesars Portrait Series (now 10 Sestertii plus provincial bronze of Otho and As of Vitellius).
     
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