Vindex - Civil War Issue

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  1. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Julian wrote a satire called The Caesars in which he quips about the virtues and vices of previous emperors and has Silenus wonder which ones ought to be allowed into a feast held by the gods. I think I counted 46 in all. Vindex is mentioned here :

    'After Nero many Emperors of many sorts came crowding in together, Vindex, Galba, Otho, Vitellius, so that Silenus exclaimed, "Where, ye gods, have ye found such a swarm of monarchs? We are being suffocated with their smoke; for brutes of this sort spare not even the temple of the gods."'
     
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  3. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Now I remember that Julian the Mithraist had written The Caesars. Never read his works.
     
  4. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    that's an awesome score man, what a sweet coin.

    i didn't even remember who that cat was! :bag:
     
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  5. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    I have to say, these Civil War issues are of immense pleasure for me. Both Alegandron's and Nemo's coins are tremendous pieces! The history surrounding their striking is one of the more interesting periods in imperial history. It makes me want to reread Wellesley's book on the subject again.

    Utterly fantastic guys!
     
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  6. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    that's interesting zumby, i will endeavor to find a copy and read it now i am aware of it:) thanks!
     
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  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    @Alegandron -

    I love the contrasting toning on that Nero! I've never had any of those Roman provincial tets in silver.

    Hey, check it out:

    Your Vitellius PONT MAX Vesta:

    My first Vitellius, a PONT MAX Vesta:

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    I think I dissed this one when I mentioned it earlier, but looking back at it now, I see a well-worn but quite wholesome coin and am not so ashamed of it after all.

    (Extra credit to you VCoins junkies if you can ID the seller based on the photo!) ;)
     
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  8. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    The link in my post you quoted takes you to an online translation of it. It's a quick read :). Here it is again:

    http://www.attalus.org/translate/caesars.html
     
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  9. AncientJoe

    AncientJoe Well-Known Member

    Some wonderful Vindexen here! (I'm assuming that's how it's pluralized).

    Here's mine, which has atypically nice metal quality:

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  10. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I was utterly hypnotized by the coin and didn't even look to see who posted it (though the Photoshop template I've since adopted myself should've been a clue).

    I thought the coin looked familiar, somehow.

    Then I saw who posted it. Aha! @AncientJoe. Well, that just figures. :)

    Hi, Iosephus Maximus Rex! All hail! Longtimenosee.
     
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  11. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

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  12. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    That is a very nice example of the Vindex denarius, Alegandron:).

    Definitely congrats on a great and historical addition to your collection!

    Like you, I am very much interested in the period between 68 and 69, and this coin embodies perfectly the events of those tumultuous years.

    Most of the ones I have seen are weakly struck - yours has a uniform, strong strike.

    I do not have a civil war denarius yet, but here are some of my examples for Nero, Galba, Otho, Vitellius and Vespasian.

    Nero denarius, as Caesar. Lugdunum.
    Nero as caesar denarius-tripod-Obv - 1.jpg Nero as caesar denarius-tripod-rev - 1.jpg

    Denarii of Nero.
    Nero denarii-4 group shot-obv - 1.jpg Nero denarii-4 group shot-rev - 1.jpg

    Galba- Denarius, Rome. SPQR O.B C.S in wreath.
    Galba denarius-wreath-obv - 1.jpg Galba denarius-wreath-rev - 1.jpg

     
  13. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Those are a real treat to look at, Eduard. I especially like the Nero Caesar and Vesta reverse.
     
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  15. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    There are some eye-popping coins in this thread! Talk about rich in history... wow, these civil war issues are dripping with it.

    @Alegandron: smart acquisition!
    @Nemo: wowzers! outstanding
    @AncientJoe: that coin makes me giddy!
     
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  16. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Oh, look- I just found the picture of my old Galba sestertius.

    Not the finest example around, of course, but I couldn't pass up such a big and scarce-ish coin for $300. In just a tiny bit better condition, I'm guessing this one would've had a four-figure pricetag? Dunno, but that's what it seemed like when I browsed around. It was a nice "Bargain Galba" for my novice collection.

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  17. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    The coin is just plain awesome!!
     
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  18. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Thank you for posting this one Joe. It was your post in 2015 and @Nemo 's post last Sept, that inspired me to begin looking hard for Vindex.
    Best,
    Brian
     
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  19. PMONNEY

    PMONNEY Flaminivs

     
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  20. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Hail @Alegandron that's a fantastic Vindex (@AncientJoe's isn't bad either :))
    For such a beautiful score I HAVE TO take some of my treasures out of their box just for you my friend (sadly I don't have no Vindex to show off) :


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    Nero, Denarius Rome mint, AD 64/65
    NERO CAESAR, laureate head of Nero right
    AVGVSTVS GERMANICVS, Nero standing facing, holding branch and victory on globe
    3,32 gr
    Ref : RCV #1941, Cohen #45, RIC # 47


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    Galba, As minted in Rome AD 68
    SER GALBA IMP CAESAR AVG PON M TR PPP, Laureate head of Galba right
    Rome seated left, SC in field
    10,60 gr
    Ref : Cohen #182


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    Otho, Denarius minted in Rome in 69 AD
    IMP M OTHO CAESAR AVG TR P, Bare head of Otho right
    SECURITAS PR, Securitas standing left
    3.50 gr
    Ref : RIC # 8, RCV #2162, Cohen #17


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    Vitellius, Denarius Rome mint, July - December 20, AD69
    A VITELLIVS GERMAN IMP TR P, Laureate head of Vitellius right
    XV VIR SACR FAC, Tripod-lebes with dolphin lying right on top and raven standing right below
    3.43 gr, 16-18 mm
    Ref : RCV # 2201var, Cohen cf # 110 et suiv, RIC I # 86 (this example illustrated in Wildwinds)

    Q
     
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  21. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    WOW, just GREAT coins! ALL of them "grab" me! Very very nice!
     
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