Vindex - Civil War Issue

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  1. Kentucky

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  3. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    that is a nice rebel coin, good score Alegandron. i still need an Otho of that period. here's my Galba denarius, he will remain entombed for the duration of his stay in my collection:zombie: Galba silver denarius 001.JPG Galba silver denarius 002.JPG
     
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  4. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    What a fabulous coin and excellent write-up. Congrats on your new addition!!
     
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  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Were it not for a decision by Suetonius not to write 13 biographies, your new coin could have been worth ten times the price. As it is you got a coin which a few of us would really love to have and a few others would never understand why anyone would want a coin with no portrait.

    Who has a non-portrait Galba or Vitellius that would go well with Vindex? I have long wanted them, too.
     
  6. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    ...that bastiege! 12 caesars suetonius 1931 001.JPG
     
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  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

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    RI Nero AR Tetradrachm 54-68 CE Eagle


    RI GALBA AR Quinarius Lugdunum mint laureate r Victory globe stdng left 15mm 1.5g SCARCE.JPG
    RI GALBA AR Quinarius Lugdunum mint laureate r Victory globe stdng left 15mm 1.5g SCARCE

    RI Otho 69 CE BI AR Tet 23mm Egypt Helmeted Roma Emmet 186.jpg
    RI Otho 69 CE BI AR Tet 23mm Egypt Helmeted Roma Emmet 186

    RI Vitellius 69 CE AR Denarius Pont Max Vesta Seated.jpg
    RI Vitellius 69 CE AR Denarius Pont Max Vesta Seated

    RI Vespasian 69-79 CE AR Quinarius VICTORIA AVGVST Victory std L  Rare Obv-Rev.jpg
    RI Vespasian 69-79 CE AR Quinarius Victory seated wreath palm RIC 802 Rare
     
  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I was "all about the portraits" in my "A-to-Z" (Augustus to Zeno) set and subsequently in my second Roman (12 C) set, but nowadays, since becoming more "eclectic", I can appreciate the non-portrait coins more.

    (Mind you, I always respected them- just didn't collect them. And tough, scarce stuff like this OP coin always turned me on, regardless.)

    My first criterion was always a good portrait. Second was a clear name on the flan.

    But nowadays I go for more interesting reverses and stuff like that when I can.

    When I buy Roman coins, that is. My current holdings make a pretty small handful.

    Still find it all fascinating, though.
     
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  9. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    My non-portrait Vespasian is absolutely my favourite coin.

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    Vespasian
    AR Denarius, 2.84g
    Rome mint, 74 AD
    RIC 688 (R), BMC 147, RSC 569
    Obv: IMP CAESAR in exergue; Vespasian stg. r., with branch and sceptre, in quadriga r.
    Rev: VESP AVG across field; Victory on prow r., with wreath and palm
    Ex Nomos Obolos 4, 21 February 2016, lot 575. Ex GH Collection. Ex Superior Galleries, The Moreira sale, Part II, 10-11 December 1988, lot 2374.
     
  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    REALLY NICE!
     
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  12. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    that is nice!
     
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  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Cue the Dos Equis "Most Interesting Man In The World" meme.

    "I don't always buy Roman coins, but when I do..."
     
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  14. Nemo

    Nemo Well-Known Member

    @Alegandron, that is a fantastic piece!

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    Civil Wars of 68-69 Clasped Hands
    Civil Wars of 68-69 AD AR denarius. 3.49 g. Minted by pro-Vitellian forces in Southern Gaul.
    O: FIDES EXERCITVVM, two clasped hands.
    R: FIDES PRAETORIANORVM, two clasped hands.
    -BMC 65; Martin 7; RIC² 121, Ex Jonathan P. Rosen, Ex Auktion Myers/Adams 7, New York 1974, Nr. 269.

    The message of a unified fidelity, or loyalty, of the 'armies' (FIDES EXERCITVVM) and the praetorians (FIDES PRAETORIANORVM) would only be an effective propaganda tool if it was distributed among the praetorians.

    David R Sear, writing in RCV, agrees with Kraay (Num. Chron 1949, pp 78.) that this interesting, anonymous civil war issue was produced on behalf of Vitellius, to be used as 'bribe money' to suborn the soldiers, as well as the Praetorian Guard, loyal to Otho in the capital. "In March 69 AD, Vitellian commander Fabius Valens entered Italy from Southern Gaul at the head of a small band of secret agents. Their mission was to infiltrate the capital, especially the ranks of the Praetorians, with the object of disseminating pro-Vitellian propaganda and dissociating the guards from their allegiance to Otho. These coins, struck in advance in Southern Gaul, would thus have played a vital role as 'bribe money'. Despite these covert activities, the Praetorians remained loyal to their Emperor, though all was to be for naught, as the following month, the invading army of Vitellius was victorious at the battle of Bedriacum, and Otho took his own life" - David R Sear

    @david, that is a once in a lifetime catch. I was an underbidder but mistakenly brought a knife to a gunfight....
     
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  15. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Thank you, and Yours is an incredible coin! A new target for me.
     
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  16. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    That's a wondrous coin @Nemo. I would love to own something like this in most any condition.
     
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  17. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

    Awesome OP coin! Guess I can share my Alexandrian tetradrachm of Galba:
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    And a denarius of Vespasian with his two sons:
    Vespasian and sons.jpg
     
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  18. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Now THAT is a cool Vespasian!

    :) Add in Iulia Titi, and it would have been "All in the Family" for Uncle Dom!
     
  19. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Excellent catch, @Alegandron! Since I'm collecting a Julian the Apostate '46 Caesars' set, I need a Vindex as he was mentioned in that one :D. Very jealous of your new pickup, congrats!
     
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  20. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    I have all 4 from that year, but I will just post my 2 favorites. Both are in the Best of Type gallery on Forvm.
    Galba
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    Vespasian
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  21. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Thank you!

    Julian's 46 Caesars...? :)
     
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