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<p>[QUOTE="gboulton, post: 1396256, member: 27043"]You know who goes with me whenever I head to a coin store, craigslist coin buy, bank, or anything of the like?</p><p><br /></p><p>My beloved German Shepherd. She loves car rides, and especially adores open windows to stick her head out of. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Would she hurt anyone? Is she trained? How would she react to an attempt to steal my stuff, or hurt me? </p><p><br /></p><p>I have never answered those questions....and, amazingly enough, nobody's ever decided to find out. :too-funny:</p><p><br /></p><p>That's kinda the point here...</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I've taught many hundreds of hours of "security" in various forms or another. And there is, regardless of the target, the thieves/hackers, the network/scenario/business/setting, a very simple and fundamental rule to all security :</p><p><br /></p><p>Your resource (data/coins/daughter/jewelry/whatever) has a value.</p><p><br /></p><p>The attacker's time and effort has a value.</p><p><br /></p><p>The moment the attacker perceives the former to be higher than the latter...you're toast. Period.</p><p><br /></p><p>Don't get me wrong..I have no place in my heart for thieves. (Well..I do...but it's a cold dark place) But the victim in this case simply didn't take even the most basic of steps to secure his belongings.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Your statement above..."That's all the time they need." is exactly right. And it's WHY he got robbed. The time it took to jump out of a car, break a window, grab an armload of stuff, and jump back in the van WAS all the time they needed. Frankly, that's simply not very difficult to do. You could, quite literally, train a monkey...or even a decent dog...to pull off that heist. Get out, break glass, grab object, get in. Wag wag, where's my hot dog?</p><p><br /></p><p>So guess what...the attacker's time and effort was very very low. Low time = low risk, low effort = low probability of failure. And the resource? Very high value.</p><p><br /></p><p>Resource value > attack value, and surprise surprise, an attack occurs.</p><p><br /></p><p>Forget for a moment all this "never stop for food", or "don't go potty" garbage, or whatever. What if:</p><p><br /></p><p>1) The coins had simply been placed in the trunk? Trunk lids aren't that tough to pop, but they're a heck of a lot noisier, a heck of a lot more obvious to passers by, and decidedly trickier than "Hulk smash glass! WHAM!" All of those things drive time AND risk up.</p><p><br /></p><p>Or maybe...</p><p><br /></p><p>2) The coins had been "scattered" in the trunk, glove box, dealer's briefcase. A few in a metal lock box over here by the spare tire, a few under the jack, some in the box in the back seat, 3-4 slabs in the glove box, a briefcase at the table with the dealer holding 10-15 more. Now the value of any easily grabbed section of the resource is decidedly lower, AND we've increased time (and thus risk) AND complexity (and thus chance of failure).</p><p><br /></p><p>Just a couple of very simple things would have changed the equation quite a bit. Sure...you can carry a firearm, hire a protector, drive crazy routes, and a million other things...and, no doubt, some of them are fine ideas, and would have prevented this.</p><p><br /></p><p>But the reality is that MOST attacks are very easy and inexpensive to prevent, and this was one of them. Simply don't make it worth their while. In other words...make it difficult to steal. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="gboulton, post: 1396256, member: 27043"]You know who goes with me whenever I head to a coin store, craigslist coin buy, bank, or anything of the like? My beloved German Shepherd. She loves car rides, and especially adores open windows to stick her head out of. :) Would she hurt anyone? Is she trained? How would she react to an attempt to steal my stuff, or hurt me? I have never answered those questions....and, amazingly enough, nobody's ever decided to find out. :too-funny: That's kinda the point here... I've taught many hundreds of hours of "security" in various forms or another. And there is, regardless of the target, the thieves/hackers, the network/scenario/business/setting, a very simple and fundamental rule to all security : Your resource (data/coins/daughter/jewelry/whatever) has a value. The attacker's time and effort has a value. The moment the attacker perceives the former to be higher than the latter...you're toast. Period. Don't get me wrong..I have no place in my heart for thieves. (Well..I do...but it's a cold dark place) But the victim in this case simply didn't take even the most basic of steps to secure his belongings. Your statement above..."That's all the time they need." is exactly right. And it's WHY he got robbed. The time it took to jump out of a car, break a window, grab an armload of stuff, and jump back in the van WAS all the time they needed. Frankly, that's simply not very difficult to do. You could, quite literally, train a monkey...or even a decent dog...to pull off that heist. Get out, break glass, grab object, get in. Wag wag, where's my hot dog? So guess what...the attacker's time and effort was very very low. Low time = low risk, low effort = low probability of failure. And the resource? Very high value. Resource value > attack value, and surprise surprise, an attack occurs. Forget for a moment all this "never stop for food", or "don't go potty" garbage, or whatever. What if: 1) The coins had simply been placed in the trunk? Trunk lids aren't that tough to pop, but they're a heck of a lot noisier, a heck of a lot more obvious to passers by, and decidedly trickier than "Hulk smash glass! WHAM!" All of those things drive time AND risk up. Or maybe... 2) The coins had been "scattered" in the trunk, glove box, dealer's briefcase. A few in a metal lock box over here by the spare tire, a few under the jack, some in the box in the back seat, 3-4 slabs in the glove box, a briefcase at the table with the dealer holding 10-15 more. Now the value of any easily grabbed section of the resource is decidedly lower, AND we've increased time (and thus risk) AND complexity (and thus chance of failure). Just a couple of very simple things would have changed the equation quite a bit. Sure...you can carry a firearm, hire a protector, drive crazy routes, and a million other things...and, no doubt, some of them are fine ideas, and would have prevented this. But the reality is that MOST attacks are very easy and inexpensive to prevent, and this was one of them. Simply don't make it worth their while. In other words...make it difficult to steal. :)[/QUOTE]
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