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<p>[QUOTE="Lolli, post: 3567042, member: 96900"]Casting twins were sold as authentic (only one was sold as cast fake) so it was not only about the coin belonging to <b><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/members/david-atherton.82616/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/members/david-atherton.82616/">David Atherton . </a></b>I wanted to warn others about all these twins so I posted it public. And the Peus piece seems to be sold wrongly as Cavino although it is authentic so this should have made public. By posting it public some buyers of the casting twins get the chance to get their money back if they get notified (maybe someone will write the involved auction houses) or at least if they are offered again the dealers or auction houses could be warnend by someone from here. I do generally only look in thread if there is fake or suspicious etc written in description but in that case this thread was featured so I saw the coin on the homepage without entering the thread and I did and do not like the coin...</p><p>It has nothing to do with <b>David Atherton.</b></p><p><b> I do not even know him so why should I do have anything angainst him ? </b></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>@ <b><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/members/erhan.104070/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/members/erhan.104070/">Erhan</a></b> your Lucius Verus is almost certainly genuine as far as I can tell based on pictures.</p><p>Your patina is different.</p><p>Your coin been smoothed, written in auction description and visible on pictures !</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3434546" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3434546" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3434546</a></p><p><br /></p><p>"Felder geglättet" = fields smoothed !!!!!</p><p><br /></p><p>(I think there was an anthentic but very rugh and uneven patina on your coin but such rough patinas can be sometimes not so aesthetic and some people are smoothing such coin to make them in their opinion better.)</p><p><br /></p><p>I am wondering why this ngc slabbed stater NGC AU, strike: 5/5, surface: 4/5</p><p>was withdrawn</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=3271&lot=72" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=3271&lot=72" rel="nofollow">https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=3271&lot=72</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.vauctions.com/APViewInCat.asp?ID=2" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.vauctions.com/APViewInCat.asp?ID=2" rel="nofollow">http://www.vauctions.com/APViewInCat.asp?ID=2</a></p><p><br /></p><p>(I can only speculate and of course I could be wrong , on reverse same die flaw above Nikes wing and missing M + on obverse same line extending the nose protection of the helmet as on published fakes )</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?mode=6Q/zOXMHeZ0=&id=NdjExAngUKA=" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?mode=6Q/zOXMHeZ0=&id=NdjExAngUKA=" rel="nofollow">http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?mode=6Q/zOXMHeZ0=&id=NdjExAngUKA=</a></p><p><br /></p><p>IBSCC Bulletin on Counterfeits BOCS Vol 8 No.1/2 1983 Page 9 Fig 3</p><p><br /></p><p>Some impossible die links exist.</p><p><br /></p><p>Sadly Beirut forgers and some Bulgarian forgers etc have the bad habbit to produce transfer dies of fakes from modern dies or transfer dies or from recutted transfer dies. So you will have the original good or high quality fakes and some bad quality transfer die fakes made from some of these fakes.</p><p><br /></p><p>No need to worry I am not interested in NGC etc anymore and I was never interested in coin business I honestly do not like coin business, I only like authentic coins and fake coin. And I will spend my time and money now in my family.Coin business is too much business and many auction houses and dealers have family and children and many employees for who they are responsible same counts for authentication services. If there is much money and if there are many emotions involved it is better for me to stay away from it.</p><p><br /></p><p>I will defend no matter who he or she is if I think that it is one sided and unfair (not giving the attacked one the chance to defend ). It has something to do with my sense of justice. If someone is doing something not legal that is harming another person this person should get of course the punishment he or she deserves in a fair case. I hate prejudging. </p><p><br /></p><p>If you try to help and if you get then attacked personally you will think twice if you will help again. Especially if you do not know my intentions why I posted it public!</p><p>To write a pm would have helped him but it would not have been fair to the other buyers of the twins who deserve to get the chance to find out about this matter, too buy reading this thread. All deserve to be notified not only one.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lolli, post: 3567042, member: 96900"]Casting twins were sold as authentic (only one was sold as cast fake) so it was not only about the coin belonging to [B][URL='https://www.cointalk.com/members/david-atherton.82616/']David Atherton . [/URL][/B]I wanted to warn others about all these twins so I posted it public. And the Peus piece seems to be sold wrongly as Cavino although it is authentic so this should have made public. By posting it public some buyers of the casting twins get the chance to get their money back if they get notified (maybe someone will write the involved auction houses) or at least if they are offered again the dealers or auction houses could be warnend by someone from here. I do generally only look in thread if there is fake or suspicious etc written in description but in that case this thread was featured so I saw the coin on the homepage without entering the thread and I did and do not like the coin... It has nothing to do with [B]David Atherton. I do not even know him so why should I do have anything angainst him ? [/B] @ [B][URL='https://www.cointalk.com/members/erhan.104070/']Erhan[/URL][/B] your Lucius Verus is almost certainly genuine as far as I can tell based on pictures. Your patina is different. Your coin been smoothed, written in auction description and visible on pictures ! [url]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3434546[/url] "Felder geglättet" = fields smoothed !!!!! (I think there was an anthentic but very rugh and uneven patina on your coin but such rough patinas can be sometimes not so aesthetic and some people are smoothing such coin to make them in their opinion better.) I am wondering why this ngc slabbed stater NGC AU, strike: 5/5, surface: 4/5 was withdrawn [url]https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=3271&lot=72[/url] [url]http://www.vauctions.com/APViewInCat.asp?ID=2[/url] (I can only speculate and of course I could be wrong , on reverse same die flaw above Nikes wing and missing M + on obverse same line extending the nose protection of the helmet as on published fakes ) [url]http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?mode=6Q/zOXMHeZ0=&id=NdjExAngUKA=[/url] IBSCC Bulletin on Counterfeits BOCS Vol 8 No.1/2 1983 Page 9 Fig 3 Some impossible die links exist. Sadly Beirut forgers and some Bulgarian forgers etc have the bad habbit to produce transfer dies of fakes from modern dies or transfer dies or from recutted transfer dies. So you will have the original good or high quality fakes and some bad quality transfer die fakes made from some of these fakes. No need to worry I am not interested in NGC etc anymore and I was never interested in coin business I honestly do not like coin business, I only like authentic coins and fake coin. And I will spend my time and money now in my family.Coin business is too much business and many auction houses and dealers have family and children and many employees for who they are responsible same counts for authentication services. If there is much money and if there are many emotions involved it is better for me to stay away from it. I will defend no matter who he or she is if I think that it is one sided and unfair (not giving the attacked one the chance to defend ). It has something to do with my sense of justice. If someone is doing something not legal that is harming another person this person should get of course the punishment he or she deserves in a fair case. I hate prejudging. If you try to help and if you get then attacked personally you will think twice if you will help again. Especially if you do not know my intentions why I posted it public! To write a pm would have helped him but it would not have been fair to the other buyers of the twins who deserve to get the chance to find out about this matter, too buy reading this thread. All deserve to be notified not only one.[/QUOTE]
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