Very unusual chop mark. What do you think?

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  1. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Has anyone seen this particular chop? It looks like a Christmas tree.

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  3. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    Looks like a Chinese character.
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  4. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    I agree. I'll bet most chop marks with funny shapes are Chinese.
  5. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    Looks like maybe "夫" (fuu in Japanese or fu1 in Chinese).
    Means man/laborer/husband.
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  6. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Is there a place on the Internet to see more characters w/translations?
  7. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    Looks like a stick man wearing a Sombrero
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  8. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

  9. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    You can enter characters by drawing them in many Asian online dictionaries.
    Here's one for Chinese. Here's one for Japanese.
    Unfortunately, if you don't know stroke order or direction you tend not to get good results.

    Here's some of the less close matches:
    末 (mo4)
    天 (tian1)
    未 (wei4)
    Traditional Chinese characters are a better search choice than simplified.
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2023
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  10. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Interesting coin. The dots inside the chop mark are a bit different. The pits and bumps in the field make me wonder if the coin is counterfeit.
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  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It's been a long time but I can recall seeing one that was at least similar to that, if not exactly like that. The dots looking like balls on an X-Mas tree is what stuck in my head.

    And no, I have no idea what it's supposed to represent other than a specific merchant's identifying mark. Which of course is what they all are supposed to represent.
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  12. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    My very first thought.
  13. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    THIS IS A CAST COUNTERFEIT. tHE GENUINE COIN USED AS A MODEL HAD A CHOP MARK. :oops: Caps lock on? Nope. Anyway there were bubbles trapped on the coin where the cast mold could not fill. That produced hols in the mold leaving a trace on the fake.
  14. gxseries

    gxseries Coin Collector

    What does the 'coin' look overall? Would be nice to see it
  15. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    It is an "across-the-room" counterfeit. I'll Post some better ones but I cannot image the entire coin. Anyway, unless you are a collector who collects a certain country, a decent fake will go undetected in a complete image and even an advanced collector will miss many. That is how good the fakes are these days! That is why when a member posts a heavily counterfeited coin such as a Pillar dollar or Trade dollar...:bucktooth: Some of the time the coins look OK.

    At work, I try to scan the entire coin at 20X and higher just to be sure. That goes for OBVIOUSLY GENUINE coins too because I learn what the surface of genuine coins look like at 80X. If authenticators had been using electron microscopes to study the surface of genuine coins in the 1970's, THERE WOULD BE NO DECEPTIVE COUNTERFEITS graded by TPGS's today! AND, we could determine contemporary C/F's from modern fakes.

    You cannot sucessfully authenticat a coin unless you know what the genuine should look like and don't trust anyone more knowledgeable about the coins 100%. Consultants have cost some TPGS $$$$$$. :D:p
    Last edited: Oct 1, 2023
  16. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    suspecting that it was fairly crude, and could be picked out fairly easy.
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